I think it'd be a good idea to announce if there are any MORE visual revamps.
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Posted on: 2011-07-28 11:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I don't think there's a general resistance to changing or updating the CoT. The overall vibe I got from the thread was the specific changes that were being resisted.
Other than that, I agree. Give us a heads up, maybe even show us some concept art.
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Nothing would get done in this game if they had to pass it by us every single time :P
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
After seeing the atrocity that is the CoT redesign, I think it'd behoove the devs to let us know if there are any other faction revamps in the works, that way this whole "OMG WTF NO DON'T CHANGE IT" fiasco doesn't spring up again when they may hit live. Thoughts?
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Allow the devs to respond to player feedback before changes go live AND act as a nice little hype-builder. There's really no downside to this route.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Give us a heads up, maybe even show us some concept art.
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Doesn't change my sentiment. There was one whole hell of a lot of objections to the new CoT look. Now, things like a faction visual change don't come often. I only brought this up because I don't want Malta turning into spaghetti-western cowboys, or Crey looking like a really bad ripoff of Johnny Test.
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Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
Nothing would get done in this game if they had to pass it by us every single time :P
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Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
Nothing would get done in this game if they had to pass it by us every single time :P
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Eh, didn't look like that many. It's a different look, yes, and I agree they should mix some of the old (robed minions, for instance) with the new - but they're not awful.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Doesn't change my sentiment. There was one whole hell of a lot of objections to the new CoT look.
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Plus, you can finally see that the women whose bodies they steal don't undergo massive changes to join the old all-male cast of the COT.
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There's a 20+ page thread full of "We like the costumes but hate the new CoT, just update the old."
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Eh, didn't look like that many.
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This reminds me, it might not be a bad idea to disseminate early concept art sketches to the community just for a general idea of what the art team is thinking of going with before they're actually committed. I remember we got quite a few concept drawings of the Demon Summoning demons, and the consensus at the time was that direction was new, unusual and great. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if we'd seen a pic of that "stupid sexy energy mage" a month or two ago, we'd have had the exact same thread, only a month or two earlier and possibly in time to affect a meaningful change.
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It was a long thread, but atrocity?|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
After seeing the atrocity that is the CoT redesign, I think it'd behoove the devs to let us know if there are any other faction revamps in the works, that way this whole "OMG WTF NO DON'T CHANGE IT" fiasco doesn't spring up again when they may hit live. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
Nothing would get done in this game if they had to pass it by us every single time :P
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The art team should not be beholden to vetting the community for changes. Nor should any other department.
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Minus 2000 points for misuse of "atrocity". The BLANK of Nanking - Charles Nelson Reilly! ("The History Sanitizer says 'Nanking Massacre of 1937-38'") - was an atrocity. This is a costume change you don't like in a multiplayer online game about superheroes. Let's try to have some frickin' perspective.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
After seeing the atrocity that is the CoT redesign, I think it'd behoove the devs to let us know if there are any other faction revamps in the works, that way this whole "OMG WTF NO DON'T CHANGE IT" fiasco doesn't spring up again when they may hit live. Thoughts?
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Dude, it's as if Blizzard's Gorilla suddenly vomited all over the CoT, and my favorite superhero game. I'd rather see those pieces for the players. And yes, atrocity. Leave the iconic visuals of the CoT as the visuals of the CoT. We don't need spandex-y "look at my glorious ***" mages. We need creepy cultists and robes.|
Originally Posted by Chyll
It was a long thread, but atrocity?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Minus 2000 points for misuse of "atrocity". The BLANK of Nanking - Charles Nelson Reilly! ("The History Sanitizer says 'Nanking Massacre of 1937-38'") - was an atrocity. This is a costume change you don't like in a multiplayer online game about superheroes. Let's try to have some frickin' perspective.
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And the perspective I'd like to have is one of a player getting to see changes before they're implemented, LONG before they're implemented. If someone hadn't caught this at Comic Con, it'd have gone to the Training Room and we'd have a last minute "DO NOT WANT" followed by a dev saying "too late."
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But what if their next 'we fell all over ourselves in love with it' idea is to revamp Nemesis as an army of catgirls selling food storage containers and perfume in stylish bottles?
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Originally Posted by Chyll
The art team should not be beholden to vetting the community for changes. Nor should any other department.
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You know I don't see a down side to this... as Soon to be "labeled as" VIP subscribers we do/will have a nested interest in the success of the game. It would only build on the high expectations we have already grown accustomed to. |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Other than that, I agree. Give us a heads up, maybe even show us some concept art.
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But what if their next 'we fell all over ourselves in love with it' idea is to revamp Nemesis as an army of catgirls selling food storage containers and perfume in stylish bottles?
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I was reminded recently that they have proofer's and such for all things dealing with quality and such.
Having us forum goers give a 'yes' / 'no' etc would be like sampling approx less than 1% of the whole player base (I think we are that low).
It is their game and we only subscribe. Perhaps they can't be stopping production etc to run by concept art with the forum base.
Schedules run tight etc ... or maybe they just want to put in the game what they personally find appealing.
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| And the perspective I'd like to have is one of a player getting to see changes before they're implemented, LONG before they're implemented. |
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I have to admit that made me lol
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
e don't need spandex-y "look at my glorious ***" mages. We need creepy cultists and robes.
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That's fine, I don't want you to argue. I just want you to maybe think before misusing a deeply loaded word next time.
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1. An extremely wicked or cruel act: "war atrocities".
2. A highly unpleasant or distasteful object: "the house was a split-level atrocity"
Nothing loaded about the word.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
The art team should not be beholden to vetting the community for changes. Nor should any other department.
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Furthermore, no-one's suggesting that new changes need to be approved by the community, merely shared with the community at an early enough stage. Obviously, no art direction will be universally liked. Still, some are perceived much better than others, and this is information that the development team can then use in development of the actual art direction. We know what's coming and they have a rough idea of how we'd react to it. Everybody wins.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I also like the creepy robes. The over the top crazy reaction from everyone seemed a bit like it must have been a slow news day around here. Atrocity was certainly the wrong word.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Dude, it's as if Blizzard's Gorilla suddenly vomited all over the CoT, and my favorite superhero game. I'd rather see those pieces for the players. And yes, atrocity. Leave the iconic visuals of the CoT as the visuals of the CoT. We don't need spandex-y "look at my glorious ***" mages. We need creepy cultists and robes.
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And I sure didn't see all the CoT mobs in those pics (didn't go through each page if every single mob type showed up, I missed it), so I hope we didn't toss something cool with the bosses out the window in all the over-reaction for the lowliest minions and some Lts.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic_Herald
It is their game and we only subscribe. Perhaps they can't be stopping production etc to run by concept art with the forum base.
Schedules run tight etc ... or maybe they just want to put in the game what they personally find appealing. |
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Main issue with the CoT revamp is it changes the feel of the group. That is what was bad - the costumes themselves looked fine.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I'd rather see those pieces for the players.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
Main issue with the CoT revamp is it changes the feel of the group. That is what was bad - the costumes themselves looked fine.
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They need to do something a little more drastic with the lower body, because the tights do look a little silly on the generic low-level enemies. Perhaps baggy pants or a loincloth of some sort, as suggested in the other thread, would distract from the tights sufficiently. They actually do work pretty well for the mages later in the game, though--I saw an Ice Thorn Caster in Portal Court (while playing with Afterburner at Comic Con) and thought he looked pretty awesome.
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All due respect Nal, but I think you might wanna 'simmah down' a bit throwin' that 'atrocity' word around. Pretty soon it'll lose all meaning, like we learned from a Very Special South Park episode.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Dude, it's as if Blizzard's Gorilla suddenly vomited all over the CoT, and my favorite superhero game. I'd rather see those pieces for the players. And yes, atrocity. Leave the iconic visuals of the CoT as the visuals of the CoT. We don't need spandex-y "look at my glorious ***" mages. We need creepy cultists and robes.
I'm not here to argue, so take your provocation and do something else with it. And the perspective I'd like to have is one of a player getting to see changes before they're implemented, LONG before they're implemented. If someone hadn't caught this at Comic Con, it'd have gone to the Training Room and we'd have a last minute "DO NOT WANT" followed by a dev saying "too late." |
It's a pretty extreme word to use repeatedly about a personal preference in a game. Some people feel they weren't great, in context. Others were 'meh'. Unless you birthed the CoT from your nascent man-womb after 14 hours of extended unmedicated labor, (which might actually make the word atrocity appropriate in perspective), I'm not sure that word applies. (also eew.)
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I could see in the future that the Devs run a few ideas by us about revamping existing enemy groups. But I worry that "feedback" will look more like "entitlement", which is what the COT thread looks like right now.
I kinda like the new COT look. And since we will be able to use the set, I'm looking forward to using them on some of my toons!
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After seeing the atrocity that is the CoT redesign, I think it'd behoove the devs to let us know if there are any other faction revamps in the works, that way this whole "OMG WTF NO DON'T CHANGE IT" fiasco doesn't spring up again when they may hit live. Thoughts?
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