Removing Heal Decay & Travel Suppression from PVP

No need for that mate. Very immature.

Honestly I think it would be a very good idea (however impractical) for them to just completely do away with the different mechanics for Zone PvP, before Freedom launches. I know it won't happen. But new players first walking into a PvP zone and finding completely different rules from what they're still trying to learn in PvE is just going to send them right back out of that PvP zone. Having a separate ruleset for PvP creates a barrier for new players, which is ironic, since the intention was to make PvP more accessible to new players. I'm not really sure how they thought that would work, but there you have it.

I also agree with Bionic Flea above me who said that the old system, while it had flaws, at least had checks and balances.

However, since I know that can't happen, I must agree with Xanatos here - if there is any way you can turn off travel suppression and heal decay, please, please do it. It's a good first step, it certainly sounds like low hanging fruit, and it would alleviate the most dramatic differences between PvE and PvP.

First I am old - at 52 I still play and used to play in various First Person Shooters (FPS) since the days of 300 baud dialup modems.

I have played everything from Halflife, Unreal, Quake, Soldier of Fortune 1 & 2, Battlefield 1942 and many more including Left for dead 1 & 2.

Now in PvP in these games one thing stands out above all others - PLAYER MADE CONTENT. To be successful with PvP you must let the PLAYERS make the content. Remember, Counterstrike was made by a PLAYER - who was then hired by Valve. I am telling you now the one and only way to turn this game around from a PvP stand point is to have an AE like enviroment for PvP. It could be a huge groundbreaking MMO feature.

City of Heroes has without doubt the best costume creator of all time. Hands down nothing else is close.

Now if we took the AE and allowed PLAYERS to create maps similar to the base creator and let PLAYERS balance powers, travel and game play - adding temp powers for flags with reset timers, escort missions (which we already have!), capture the case and escape and let us do so in a normal 8 man/woman/animal/robot/alien team setting - you would have an award winning feature that would set the MMO world on its head.

PvP cannot be made popular by the Devs. In every single one of the games I have played the player made maps became far more popular. Instead of a handful of people working on content you have hundreds or thousands and some of these become big hits. The players find the balance and a use for powers that is out of the box.

Think of the 20 man all Rad team that beat Hamidon first.

I can see a capture the flag game now where a bubbler has reinforced a wall that needs to be destroyed in order to get to the flag, I can imagine so many uses for powers that it has seriously angered me over the last 7 years that the PvP was a red headed step child. The amazing travel powers was the fun of the original PvP. I recall fighting a running super speed battle with another blaster as we zipped all over and it was epic.

I am not asking for the Devs to fix PvP - I am asking to give US the tools to create it.

Just a caveat - I don't PvP, I've never PvP'd (outside once defending myself in Bloody Bay from a guy who SJ'd away as soon as I hit him back), and have never particularly liked it even when I played games that basically had open-season on all players all the time. In fact, COH sold me on 2 important things - Costumes and discreet PvP zones.

However I have a question. The Heal Decay thing I totally get... actually I get both sides of that argument from having to referee PvP fights in the past, so I don't have any questions about that. I am curious about travel suppression. How is it different in PvP than it is in PvE?

I would have made a rather lengthy post discussing various points about PvP and the "required" powers to even participate.

But, because of one reply you made to my statement...

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Originally Posted by Xanatos Yes it would.

I can discount anything else you have to say.

Good day.

I'm of the opinion that the only way to make pvp more accessable for regular players is to first, make the difference of how powers operate between pve and pvp nearly identical.

People shouldn't have to learn a new set of rules and create a second (optimal) build in order to adequately participate in pvp.

One such example is: doing things like adding psi resistance to a ton of powers were the wrong way to go imop. I would've instead added psi resistance or defense (where applicable) to appropriate buff powers, for both pve and pvp.

Heal decay is another one.

Taunt and its couzin, the guantlet effect should be way more useful than they currently are. Both should debuff range as they do, but they should also force the affected player to have their target locked onto the taunter. The taunt effect should be able to be broken by having the duration expire, breaking line of sight, by popping a break free, or by receiving certain buff powers that would have a taunt type magnitude resistance applied to them, Clear Mind is a great example of a power that could do this.

Travel suppression is a tricky beast. There are quite valid reasons why they exist for both pve and pvp. Is it a fun mechanic? Not really. Having seen people zipping / flying / jumping in and out of combat to get spike damage almost bordered on looking ridiculous to me and in no way looked to encapsulate what a good pvp experience should look like.

To the poster above that stated AE type of ability for players to design pvp maps is a great idea. But like the AE itself, is bound to be rife with a ton of horrible designs for players to sift through, people to be lured into and only find that it was a trap (insert Its a trap pic here). Not to mention, it can be time consuming designing a single floor map for a mission, placing objects etc..., I'd hate to see zone wide maps made designable for players. Sure there are people out there that would love that ability, but...just yikes.