Removing Heal Decay & Travel Suppression from PVP

As long as they also remove the speed suppression on the PvE side while they're at it, I'm all for it.

I don't PvP and have no plans to, but it bugs the ever-living hell out of me to have my own flight speed stuck in "molasses in January"-mode while the Paragon Protector, Witch, Natterling, Eagle or what-ever-the-heck-it-is I'm chasing jets off in the middle of a fight without so much as a second's delay.

I used to consider myself at least a casual PvPer. I went to the zones with some friends that are more hardcore. I participated in a few team arena contests. I actually was on two winning teams!

I even moved to Freedom server for a while when all the PvPers congregated there. But after trying PvP several times after the I13 changes, I completely lost any desire to do it anymore. My tankers had less resistance than some blasters, my rad corrupter couldn't keep toggles on anyone anymore, couldn't escape, can't heal himself out of danger.

I think we need to have a civil discussion with Synapse. He's the main powers guy now and seems to be pretty cool. But if he pokes his head in here and the usual suspects jump down his throat tossing the same old insults, don't be surprised if the conversation ends abruptly and nothing gets changed.

As someone who has never been a hardcore, or even regular, PvP'er, I really wanted to like PvP. I would love to see an environment where the people who put a lot of time and effort into their builds were rewarded for it, while not completely putting out the less experienced/built (thereby dissuading any casual player from trying). I also agree that FREEDOM would be a great time to get into that- in fact- I think it should be a priority.

The folks who love this game are already here, or will return as Premium players. I think a lot of the Free to Play folks will be here to toy with it off and on, but I honestly think most of the folks that will bite at the F2P model will be doing it for the PvP.

As a non-casual(ish) and consistent player of more than 6 years, who has partaken of just about every element of this game, a total n00b at PvP, and about as middle of the road one can get to most of the things argued about on these boards, I think taking some time to work on PvP for FREEDOM would be desirable.

I have seen over the years a lot of threads, and I remember seeing some of the suggestions that would really get me interested.

Things like:

Removing Heal Decay and Tavel Supression (and some of the other nit-picky stuff).

Removing Rooting (slower speeds shouldn't mean less dynamic- that's the key!!!)

Goals other than just beating the crud out of each other (Capture the Flag style bank robberies and hostage situations, timed destruction derbys- where one side tries to destroy an area while the other stops them, etc)

Reward Drop chances if you defeat a foe, or if you get defeated. Each on a short timer to prevent exploit.

Remove the chance of Debt in PvP zones! Even for a lot of level 50 players, the thought of debt is frustrating and turns them off to PvP completely. Having NPC's in zone is good for tactical situations, but If that means NPC's offer no rewards for defeat if there's no debt, so be it. Shouldn't be in the zone to street sweep anyway... The rewards should lay in the PvP. Here's an idea, let defeats of NPC's give nothing but inspirations (good way to gather them so you don't have to leave the zone)

Those are the top sellers in my book, though with the removal of travel supression and rooting, I would place a strict hard cap on movement speeds. Allow teleport, but with a super-limited range. The thing that discouraged me about PvP was the 'invisible jumping bean' syndrome. Everyone SS/SJ/Stealth Spike Damage groups. Never considered that fun, even though that was the 'heyday' of PvP some would say. I liken that back to when folks would wait at the door while Tanks would herd the map (Yes it was fun if you were the Tank- I did it from time to time- but not much fun for the rest of the group).

PvP needs to be fun and dynamic (dynamic being the big word of the day) especially in a Super Hero/Villain game. The few times I went toe-to-toe with a player, or group of players that wasn't bouncing all over the place, I had a blast! I really think PvP can be awesome in this game, and it deserves to be.

Removal of Travel Suppression + Healing Decay would make alot of us PvPers very happy. Travel Suppression currently slows you down if you heal (which your heals get Diminished anyways which seems redundant) self aura heals, inspiration usage, rad/dark/snow storm toggles perma Travel Suppress you. Any attack thrown at you will slow you, that is just not fun imo.

It's just a numbers game in zone, whichever side currently has the most people to pew pew, which gets perma slowed and eventually killed. Your forced to grab hibernate and/or phase shift in zones no questions asked, which are nice powers anyways but without them you have no chance at all. (Speaking of Phase Shift, that is an example of a good PvP change... Brings another dynamic to PvP being able to Chase/Kill while Phased and vice versa.)

And Healing Decay is just dumb. It makes any type of Healer almost pointless in zones. Don't think I need to elaborate more here, just remove it.

I put up with the current "issues" because it was forced upon us, and I obviously like PvP in this game... Even though it's been severly neglected/messed up over the years. I could go on and on with stuff I would like to see added/changed, but im not holding my breath. With that said I would like anything new added, Arena Maps, stuff, Anything?

I don't want either removed but I would like thier effects toned down or narrowed.

If there was no Travel Suppression then I'd be back to being a Taunt Bot as a Tank, rather than someone who can actually kill. No Travel Suppression is great for Blasters, Stalkers and people with powers that suppress travel in thier native set (Rads, Spines and all that). It sucks for everyone else though. However Travel Suppression should activate when it's sensible for it to happen, not on practically any action. Similarly while degrading heals isn't a bad idea, it's currently far too high.

So since I don't want it do you now have to say "All PvP'ers except Fanservice" or am I not a real PvP'er? Curious!

I just want to be able to legitimately take Teleport again. My Bane Scout made a habit of jumping in behind someone, clout them over the head with the mace, and then teleport out before they even knew what was happening.

Then I13 hit. And suddenly I was simply making very loud noises and flashy fx while going smegging nowhere. And dying quickly. Not cool.

I do think now, if ever, is the best time to seriously look at PvP again. Heal decay can also go to hell.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

The old incarnation of PvP certainly had its faults. There were some very effective tactics and certain characters could ruin certain other characters.

BUT, there was a counter for everything and in that laid the true beauty of the old system. If someone was running away with any travel powers you could try slows, or holds, or webnades. Then the escaping player would need to obtain a speed boost or clear mind/clarity. Or as mentioned above, a teleporting foe could be teleported right back, unless he had the forethought to pop a sturdy inspiration.

In a competition between player, there will be winners and losers by necessity. Losing is generally unfun. Attempting to design PvP such that it is never unfun for those who lose an encounter is doomed to fail.

I would love this. Some of my fondest memories of CoH over the past 6+ years are of PvP. Even if I have never been hard core about it, I always had a great time when done with friends. Now, I dread going there because of the ridiculous changes in an attempt at balance.

Please do something about the PvP situation before CoH:Freedom launches.

Hah! Well that isn't a set up to you going "Well obviously you're playing it wrong/everyone you played sucks as I'd never die to that" is it? I'll pass, we don't need to turn this thread into me defending my experiences over yours. We both think PvP isn't very good now, I just think it wasn't very good before either.

I'm not an experienced PvP'er, I drop into it infrequently and give it a try, do okay(Ish) and then leave because it's still not doing it for me. This isn't that I hate PvP, god no. I love PvP in games and played the heck out of it in practically any one you care to name, but CoH is more focused on the Power Sets of the person than the actual fun parts of PvP.

I've tried it Pre I13. In fact I made a Thugs/Poison/Mace Mastermind just to PvP with and they did pretty good (Until people learnt to just go absolutely nowhere near me lest they be TP'd, webbed and killed). Post I13 they were even better but I was also able to try it out with my SS/WP tank or my Sonic/Rad Controller and have something resembling fun. Was I playing really bad people? Probably! The vast majority of any PvP community isn't very good and I'm sure I'm just as much of a hopeless newb as the rest.

I don't think the current system is great. It's still really kind of bad but it's more fun than everyone bouncing around like Mexican Jumping Beans firing off powers at range or diving down to gank the unlucky sod who got nicked with a Web grenade. So I'd prefer they didn't take a step backwards if they did anything at all to PvP. They need to make it more appealing to everyone, not just a small group of people who are keen enough to level up new characters everytime the FOTM of old is nerfed/changed/found to have a flaw.

And here in this thread we see that there ARE some folks who completly hated the style of pre-I13 pvp.

I don't think the devs can ever get pvp right as there will always be some who just fundamentally DO NOT like hopping around like a bunny on crack.

Also currently the counters to folks running away that Xan posted are completely loltastic in the age of "Phase shift and Hibernoob every time you take significant damage." All those counters only work on complete noobs.

With that said I still say Heal Decay and Travel Suppression need to go or at least be adjusted. I'm one of the ones that DO LIKE everyone running around like a bunny on crack. Why? Cause we are SUPERHEROES/VILLAINS. It should NOT be easy to kill us. You want a kill off a superpowered person, you need to WORK for it. If it were easy to kill us then we wouldn't be superpowered beings, we'd be regular joe schmoe. Pre-I13 movement ability and full healing made that realistic.

Travel suppression I can see being needed in SOME cases for the very reasons some folks posted. Heal Decay? NO, it was not necessary for any reason. It just took out healers from zone play. As was pointed out the time you are taking to "time out your heals" is time that your other team mates are dying and there is nothing you as a healer can do about it.