I think Thermal is significantly more attractive for Defenders than Fire Blast. Fire Blast's only redeeming quality on Defenders is RoF, and Defenders get more out of Ice Storm+Blizzard than RoF+Inferno.
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Fire Blast has long been desired and asked for on Defenders, whereas I'm not certain that I've ever seen anyone ask for Thermal Radiation. It may be true that the devs failure to create AT modifier appropriate versions of Ice Storm and Blizzard has dampened some of the desire for Fire Blast, but it should still be one of the highest dps sets for defenders.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
I think Thermal is significantly more attractive for Defenders than Fire Blast. Fire Blast's only redeeming quality on Defenders is RoF, and Defenders get more out of Ice Storm+Blizzard than RoF+Inferno.
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I'm happy for both of these ports. If Forge and 2 debuffs get upgraded for Defender modifiers (and I see no reason they won't), that's pretty sweet.
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Well, Thermal is more desirable now that the shields are AoE.
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Originally Posted by Draggynn
Fire Blast has long been desired and asked for on Defenders, whereas I'm not certain that I've ever seen anyone ask for Thermal Radiation.
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I would still rather play Fire Blast on a corr, or blaster. Sure, it will pump out the most damage for a defender, but it still lacks scourge that corrs get, or the higher numbers of a blaster. I only recently started playing a /thermal, and I like the idea of it coming to defenders.
So, I'll get to Herdicane something into a deathball, drop FR for -35% (plus possibly 20% from proc) Resistance, and then Fireball something?
I have been wanting Thermal to be ported to defenders for a long time now. Will be making a new defender the second this goes live, cant wait!
Someone stated something about thermal shields being AoE, when and where was that mentioned? I have a Demon/Thermal/Heat MM, there shields arent AoE, least not atm.
i actually like the sound of all of those proliferations, now ill be able to scrap a few of my scrappers in favor of brutes
already got a katana/dark armor scrapper thats gonna be on the chopping block in favor of a brute and maybe even martial arts/fire armor scrapper (will replace with tank)
the energy aura revamp will give me a reason to revisit my elec/energy stalker and may also remake him into a brute
i have more planning to do
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Originally Posted by JusticeValkyre
I have been wanting Thermal to be ported to defenders for a long time now. Will be making a new defender the second this goes live, cant wait!
Someone stated something about thermal shields being AoE, when and where was that mentioned? I have a Demon/Thermal/Heat MM, there shields arent AoE, least not atm. |
My Zombie/Thermal mastermind loves the upgrade.
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Indeed, mastermind thermal shields became single cast AoE with the arrival of Issue 20.5 as well as the forcefield buffs
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Note that they still do not buff the caster.
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Some did not. In an effort to coin a phrase that describes the ones that did, I've started using "click ally shields" to refer to the powers that got this buff.
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In the interest of clarity, most single target buffs became Ally targeted AoEs with the launch of i20.5 for all support archetypes.
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I am excited! Just realized I can reroll my Cold/Fire Corr to a Defender!
Fire Blast tier 1 or tier 2 you can tend to switch off between with not to much of a worry.
With Cold Dom as Primary, I can skip infrigidate! Which, truthfully, I was never really impressed with on my Cold/Ice Defender.
I'm sure there are people out there who think it's great and awesome and really adds to the set. But I really just didn't see it being all that useful. :/
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I'm a huge Thermal fan so I started a new DP/Thermal Corruptor when I20.5 dropped- He's 28 now but I think I'll shelve him and reroll as a Thermal/DP Defender! Yes!!!
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Benchpresser,
Just out of curiosity, why switch? Do you like the Defender numbers that much? Or is it a concept thing? Just wondering, since all the proliferation stuff is making me wonder whether I should make and/or remake some characters as Corruptors or Defenders. I favor Defenders conceptually for some reason, but not entirely sure why.
So I'm just wondering your thoughts on it. Or anyone else's. I am truly stumped.
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Just out of curiosity, why switch?
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The secondary effects of the different ammo types are a nice bit of extra fluff for everyone else, but on Defenders it can actually be worth using something other than "all fire ammo, all the time."
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Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon
Benchpresser,
Just out of curiosity, why switch? Do you like the Defender numbers that much? Or is it a concept thing? Just wondering, since all the proliferation stuff is making me wonder whether I should make and/or remake some characters as Corruptors or Defenders. I favor Defenders conceptually for some reason, but not entirely sure why. So I'm just wondering your thoughts on it. Or anyone else's. I am truly stumped. Lewis |
Cold/DP Defender is the exception because it allows me to skip Infrigidate. I'm grabbing all the DP powers except for one later one anyways. And Cold/ for Defenders gives better defense numbers.
Now with Cold/Fire, tier 1 and 2 arent to different to worry about, and again, I get to skip Infrigidate.
When I decide it's usually based on if the blasts are important to me. Do I want to skip a tier 1 ability on the Secondary, but not on the Primary and vice versa.
Then it's a numbers game.
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I'm crossing my fingers for a -dam debuff component to Fire Blast for defenders.
Defender secondaries all have one thing in common: They have a secondary effect to apply aside from the damage it deals. Defender secondaries cover pretty much every secondary effect there is, so a -dam effect would round it out (since they don't have a set that does that yet) I suspect that, in a way, that's why they hesitated on giving Fire Blast to defenders for so long.
It would pair well with Thermal as well. Thermal buffs allies resistance, while the Fire debuffs enemies' damage.
I doubt it will happen, but I can hope.
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Reading between the lines, it seems "ease of porting" is a crucial factor, at least in this round of proliferation. So if someone wants to make a bet like Dechs Kaison is doing for whether or not Dark Consumption will be included in the Blaster /Dark secondary, then I'm betting big on "no" for -dmg (or any changes other than any due to modifier values) for Fire.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I'm crossing my fingers for a -dam debuff component to Fire Blast for defenders.
Defender secondaries all have one thing in common: They have a secondary effect to apply aside from the damage it deals. Defender secondaries cover pretty much every secondary effect there is, so a -dam effect would round it out (since they don't have a set that does that yet) I suspect that, in a way, that's why they hesitated on giving Fire Blast to defenders for so long. It would pair well with Thermal as well. Thermal buffs allies resistance, while the Fire debuffs enemies' damage. I doubt it will happen, but I can hope. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I'm crossing my fingers for a -dam debuff component to Fire Blast for defenders.
Defender secondaries all have one thing in common: They have a secondary effect to apply aside from the damage it deals. Defender secondaries cover pretty much every secondary effect there is, so a -dam effect would round it out (since they don't have a set that does that yet) I suspect that, in a way, that's why they hesitated on giving Fire Blast to defenders for so long. It would pair well with Thermal as well. Thermal buffs allies resistance, while the Fire debuffs enemies' damage. I doubt it will happen, but I can hope. |
I don't expect to see Fire Blast getting a -DMG component. It's secondary effect has always been it's DoT for more damage.
And giving Defenders the -DMG component would have the others clamoring for it.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I'm crossing my fingers for a -dam debuff component to Fire Blast for defenders.
Defender secondaries all have one thing in common: They have a secondary effect to apply aside from the damage it deals. Defender secondaries cover pretty much every secondary effect there is, so a -dam effect would round it out (since they don't have a set that does that yet) I suspect that, in a way, that's why they hesitated on giving Fire Blast to defenders for so long. It would pair well with Thermal as well. Thermal buffs allies resistance, while the Fire debuffs enemies' damage. I doubt it will happen, but I can hope. |
Archery has no secondary effect.
Arguably neither does Assault Rifle (some powers in AR do (One defense debuff, 4 KB), but the set a a whole does not).
I don't expect to see a debuff added to fire just for defenders.
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it's debuff will be making things dead, the best debuff of all.
Since no one else has started the thread I thought I would. Also Thermal Radiation, but I thought Fire Blast would have move excitement.
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