Giving the Players what they want: Solo Incarnate Content
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-06-30 10:53 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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And it's not like theres been no mention of there level range, and absolutely no mention at all that they have anything to with the Incarnate System-|
Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
Yeah, it's not like the devs have promised soloable incarnate content in the future and have already announced a system of MONTHLY signature story arcs that promise to be more epic than the current in-game story arcs, giving us more story arcs in one calendar year than we've had in years.
Clearly, the devs have ignored solo players and we must spam the forums about it! |
Oh, wait.
Clearly you can see into the future better than I can.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Able to start solo. Max team size small enough that no one can zerg through it. If I can't solo the 54 AV, I'm allowed to bring up to two more players, no more than that, to assist. Awards are adjusted accordingly. We have min team sizes, the devs can do max team sizes as well.
You will continue to dismiss this request and spam these threads. I will continue to shoot down your arguments until you stop.
It is as it always has been.
Be well, people of CoH.
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The only thing I recall any Dev saying is that they will "look into it". |
Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
... the devs have promised soloable incarnate content in the future ...
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As those of us who enjoy Bases and PvP know very well... that is not a "promise".
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Level ranges mean absolutely nothing at this point in City of Heroes.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
And it's not like theres been no mention of there level range, and absolutely no mention at all that they have anything to with the Incarnate System-
Oh, wait. Clearly you can see into the future better than I can. |
And all content drops shards. While the signature system has not been tied to the incarnate system, the devs have been openly vocal that they heard the call for solo incarnate content and it is in the works. Veruca Salt'ing it up and demanding it NOA is unrealistic.
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A lack of larger scale group content and raiding was one of the most frequent things listsed on the account deactivation form as the reason for the deactivation - NCsoft listened.
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Originally Posted by AmazingMOO
Is NCSoft no longer in the business of giving the players what they want?
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@Golden Girl
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If only there were a forum for suggestions where you can post this wonderful idea instead of over and over again in General Discussions.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Able to start solo. Max team size small enough that no one can zerg through it. If I can't solo the 54 AV, I'm allowed to bring up to two more players, no more than that, to assist. Awards are adjusted accordingly. We have min team sizes, the devs can do max team sizes as well.
You will continue to dismiss this request and spam these threads. I will continue to shoot down your arguments until you stop. It is as it always has been. |
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The game should continue to be solo and small team friendly, and there really needs to be more Praetoria-like zone events (which can be soloed or leagued), and task forces. But it's a matter of resources and revenue generation-- and you don't trample on your end game system in an MMO by making it viable to be soloed at the rates some people are proposing. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Let's ignore the people that aren't content because, hey, SOME people are content! They can just suck it up or, hey, not bother, can't they? Pfftch, who needs to diversify, really? It's not like this games been solo and small-team friendly for seven years and thats the exact reason many people have stuck around, right?
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I think there certainly needs to be more iRewards available for solo and small teams, and a good starting point for this is the addition of VIP/purchasable missions that achieve such. But they must stay far-far away from the iTrials rate of return for rewards. Temproally gated story arcs that grant iXP and threads upon completion is my suggestion.
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And it took them 7 years to do that.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
A lack of larger scale group content and raiding was one of the most frequent things listsed on the account deactivation form as the reason for the deactivation - NCsoft listened.
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Yet people are claiming the sky is falling because cries for soloable incarnate content haven't been addressed within 6 months.
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How many threads have I started on the topic, FT?|
Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
If only there were a forum for suggestions where you can post this wonderful idea instead of over and over again in General Discussions.
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How many posts have you made in THIS thread alone?
Hypocrisy much?
Be well, people of CoH.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Able to start solo. Max team size small enough that no one can zerg through it. If I can't solo the 54 AV, I'm allowed to bring up to two more players, no more than that, to assist. Awards are adjusted accordingly. We have min team sizes, the devs can do max team sizes as well.
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Bill, I like the idea of solo incarnate stuff, but I don't want to see any content which demands a team smaller than 8. I really like playing in static groups, and having content locked out because of my team size would be unfortunate. I don't care if some players can speed through this or that mission.
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They should have known it would be demanded the second they started on the incarnate content. This is something they should have been planning from the first moment they started looking at incarnate content. For this to be some kind of surprise to them does not reflect well on their ability to anticipate the customers.|
Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
And it took them 7 years to do that.
Yet people are claiming the sky is falling because cries for soloable incarnate content haven't been addressed within 6 months. |
If this were some bizarre idea for a new powerset based on summoning chickens that suddenly received a lot of support, then I can see how expecting a response in 6 months would be pretty demanding, but this is common sense territory here.
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What did your static team do about the solo-only missions in Praetoria?
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Originally Posted by Sermon
Just an aside,
Bill, I like the idea of solo incarnate stuff, but I don't want to see any content which demands a team smaller than 8. I really like playing in static groups, and having content locked out because of my team size would be unfortunate. I don't care if some players can speed through this or that mission. |
Be well, people of CoH.
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Or it reflects the results of their datamining and player feedback, past and present.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
They should have known it would be demanded the second they started on the incarnate content. This is something they should have been planning from the first moment they started looking at incarnate content. For this to be some kind of surprise to them does not reflect well on their ability to anticipate the customers.
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@Golden Girl
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Has anyone said "NOBODY actually likes running them?" No. |
Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
And we come to the crux of the problem with the anti-raid sentiment on this forums.
Facts are no longer useful. Only the observations of those who support your ideas are are truly useful. Ignore the fact that RWZ is packed daily with people doing PUG raids, since you can explain that away as "it's the only way to earn incarnate awards" instead of admitting that some people like the trials themselves. I know I've run trials on characters I've already maxed T4'd on just because I like to lead them and help others or even like the random teaming to meet new people. |
But, hey,
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| Only the observations of those who support your ideas are are truly useful. |
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Ok, so some days I like to team and some days I just don't want to interact with another living soul (in game or out of it) so I'm honestly all for solo incarnate content. I think it could have a place right alongside the whole trial system they have going on.
I don't think it's going to come before (or with) I21 though. I kind of imagine that if they managed to decide on a good way to set it up then it got pushed to either stretch goals on current/upcoming issues if possible and if not was probably put into upcoming issues not currently in the development cycle. So that would put it off until after 21 if they couldn't squeeze it in.
The only real complain I have with the people asking for solo incarnate content is that some of them really seem to have an attitude of, "I want it now, why isn't it hear yet," about them. That sort of thing isn't terribly useful in persuading people to their point of view and generally seems more likely to start arguments than anything else. Not that the pro-incarnate trial bunch are entirely blameless either mind you since they can 'attack' pretty harshly in 'defense' of an aspect of gameplay they enjoy.
That said.
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You realize what that sounds like right Bill?
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
At the end of the day (where day is a metaphor for some period of time) what I'll get is quite likely the same thing I've gotten in the past for expressing my opinions on this forum: What I Want.
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It's also important to remember that there's going to be an influx of new players this year, and a lot of them will have certain expectations about what an MMO endgame system should be like.
@Golden Girl
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I know how it should sound: "Say and do nothing, watch nothing happen. Work towards change, often get it."
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Be well, people of CoH.
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Or, tell the avalanche to continue heading down the slope, and claim responsibility when it does just that. |
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I know how it should sound: "Say and do nothing, watch nothing happen. Work towards change, often get it."
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Seriously. Look at the track record of the dev team, and tell me you honestly don't think there's damn good odds that this concern is already being addressed internally.
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Actually, that would serve as a solid reason for introducing solo Incarnate content before then. Doing something just because that's how everyone else does it is rarely a good idea in the first place and being able to advertise the option of a non-raid based progression system might well end up attracting some players who are sick of raid based progression in other games.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's also important to remember that there's going to be an influx of new players this year, and a lot of them will have certain expectations about what an MMO endgame system should be like.
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Originally Posted by Furio
Or, tell the avalanche to continue heading down the slope, and claim responsibility when it does just that.
Seriously. Look at the track record of the dev team, and tell me you honestly don't think there's damn good odds that this concern is already being addressed internally. |
We can only act with the information we have in hand. They did react on the Lore pet issue and the game is the better for it.
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I kind of figured you meant it something like that. It came across as very over entitled spoiled brat though to me. Very, "Every time I disagree with something I complain and end up getting things MY way." What you wrote just now there was much better.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I know how it should sound: "Say and do nothing, watch nothing happen. Work towards change, often get it."
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I think most of the solo missions in Praetoria are insignificant. Often just making a decision. That said, I don't much care for those either.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
What did your static team do about the solo-only missions in Praetoria?
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One of the biggest mistakes they made was allowing two banned individuals back.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Oh look! Friggin Taser is lying about me again! I have been posting in threads, true. But spamming them to sabotage the normal functionality of the forums? Mmmmm, no. This is just like old times, man. Remember? Back before that really long forum break you took?
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I have no doubt that it is being addressed. How they address it is still a concern and should still be addressed here.
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Originally Posted by Furio
Or, tell the avalanche to continue heading down the slope, and claim responsibility when it does just that.
Seriously. Look at the track record of the dev team, and tell me you honestly don't think there's damn good odds that this concern is already being addressed internally. |
Be well, people of CoH.
So, does that mean you're admitting that the above quote was not, in face, a statement of fact but merely an opinion?
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