The difficulty is, the extras you get with booster packs aren't game-changing in that they affect your ability to stay competitive with other players. I'm not a PvPer, but if I was, I would be absolutely horrified now; the thought that other - richer - players will have the ability to simply buy extra, potentially better powersets, which would give them a tactical advantage over them is appalling. As it stands, everyone who pays the subscription to CoH has a level playing field, same powersets, same selection of IOs, same combat attributes, etc...
There's a very good reason why you're not allowed to simply buy Influence with real-world money, and its to prevent people from simply buying their way into superiority in the game; I'm very, very concerned about the possibility of Freedom changing that for the worse.
Again, no, that's not true. Until COH and COV merged, you either had one or paid to get both. Until Freedom hits, only people who bought GR have the new powersets, the Incarnate system and the Alignment system for A-merits.
Even then, the players with the most time or access to resources (influence, people to run activities with, etc) have an advantage over those who don't. I hate to say it, but there's no thing as a fair fight. All the powersets being available do not provide equal footing.
As one player to another, I thank you for providing your feedback, though, and I really do hope the devs do address your concerns. Certainly, there's a lot of ways for them to act on this issue, so our collective feedback is very important for not only current players but the future ones. With as big a change as we'reseeing coming down the pipe, we absolutely need as many different viewpoints as possible, especially ones that disagree! 
As for RMT jerks? Earning inf is a time-sink, and RMT was prohibited before Inventions. It cuts short in-game time sinks (time vs reward), but also generates stolen accounts and credit card fraud. Credit card companies can and do fine companies that regularly have disputed claims, fraud, etc, and its not cheap (can be in the millions over time).
Just so I'm clear, are these the current possibilities?
• New powersets are free with subscription for VIP usage, paid for Free and Premium
• New powersets are "free" with subscription stipend (400pp)
• New powersets are subsidized with subscription stipend (400pp+)
• New powersets also purchasable as a Veterans reward in addition to one of the above, similar to Controllers and Masterminds for Free/Premium players
Am I missing any others?
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Originally Posted by CatSan
My personal take on the "paying" for new powersets is this. As a "VIP" customer maybe they should be allowed early access to them, similar as to what happened with dual pistols and demon summoning prior to GR? The examples given about "buying" powersets in relation to CoV and GR is moot. You were not just buying powersets, you were effectively buying a whole new game to add on to what you had that included new powersets for AT's or new AT's in CoV's case. Maybe even a discount on the cost of the new powersets could be implemented. That would also give another incentive for free/premium players to become VIP players as there would be a discount on powersets if they were VIP.
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GR was not stand alone, though. I'm sure there've been arguments made that it should've been part of our subscriptions, too. Only folks who pre-bought it directly from NCSoft (expansion only, so no booster pack, no extra month) got access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning early, so arguably we list out on $15 worth of stuff to play with then early.
It GR was released piecemeal after Freedom, I'd say players would be able to choose what they wanted from it or buy it bundled. Certainly, Electric Control and Demon Summoning were two things I would not have bought if given the option... Bundles are good, but so is ala carte.
maybe it's too early to ask this question.
When we go f2p, and SG transfers go live, what kind of cost can we expect?
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When we go f2p, and SG transfers go live, what kind of cost can we expect? |
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Thanx for the clarification.
Was wondering what was the value of those 400 points.
So now I can buy individual things from boosters instead of buying the entire pack? That's pretty cool I guess.
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When we go f2p, and SG transfers go live...
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(Obviously, I don't know the answer to the cost question.)
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One cost will be much wailing of people whose SG moved servers and left them behind.
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maybe it's too early to ask this question.
When we go f2p, and SG transfers go live, what kind of cost can we expect? |
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One cost will be much wailing of people whose SG moved servers and left them behind.
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FYI, just to clarify something there's been a little confusion over, I asked on today's Facebook Freedom Friday about the 400 PP cost for Signature Story Arcs. This was Beastyle's reply:
"@Chad Gulzow: Each Signature Story arc will be 400 Paragon Points--you will purchase them by arc. Once you've purchased an arc as a Premium player you will always have access to it, however if you want to access NEW arcs you would have to purchase those for 400 Paragon Points each."
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
FYI, just to clarify something there's been a little confusion over, I asked on today's Facebook Freedom Friday about the 400 PP cost for Signature Story Arcs. This was Beastyle's reply:
"@Chad Gulzow: Each Signature Story arc will be 400 Paragon Points--you will purchase them by arc. Once you've purchased an arc as a Premium player you will always have access to it, however if you want to access NEW arcs you would have to purchase those for 400 Paragon Points each." |
So, since we know that 400 Points = $5...
400-point stipend
400-point arc
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Looks like VIP's are only paying ~$5 for continued access to the full game and the other $10 goes to the 'free' points and signature arcs. And that's only if you pay on a monthly plan...
I have a 14-month plan that renewed in March....I am HAPPY that I won't be charged again until May and am essentially only paying about $10 a month to begin with. People on a yearly+2months subscription are basically going to be playing the full core game for free and their 'subscription' goes towards store-goodies and/or equivalent value stuff.
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Forgot the free server transfer, so they are actually paying you $5 to play. I'm happy with it, moar slots on protector for me.
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And of course, the unspoken corollary: V.I.P. players get these as part of their subscription at no additional cost.
So, since we know that 400 Points = $5... 400-point stipend 400-point arc ... Looks like VIP's are only paying ~$5 for continued access to the full game and the other $10 goes to the 'free' points and signature arcs. And that's only if you pay on a monthly plan... I have a 14-month plan that renewed in March....I am HAPPY that I won't be charged again until May and am essentially only paying about $10 a month to begin with. People on a yearly+2months subscription are basically going to be playing the full core game for free and their 'subscription' goes towards store-goodies and/or equivalent value stuff. |
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So... It has been a couple weeks now, and no update from Ghost Falcon...
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Next week, I will be covering how multi-month subscription plans and game time cards will be working once City of Heroes Freedom launches.
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So... It has been a couple weeks now, and no update from Ghost Falcon...
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Have they addressed how game codes will work after CoH: Freedom launches?
ie. I have an unopened CoH Collector's Edition DVD box set with an unused game code inside.
1) Will I still be able to use the code to upgrade my account &/or add time to it?
2) If I use the game code to upgrade my account, what do I get:
Premium access, 1200 Paragon Points (equal to 1 month sub), plus unlocking the goodies (power slide, cape, etc)?I apologize in advance if this has already been answered >.<
30 days of VIP access plus the goodies?
30 days of VIP access, plus the goodies, and 400 Paragon Points at the end of the month?
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Have they addressed how game codes will work after CoH: Freedom launches?
ie. I have an unopened CoH Collector's Edition DVD box set with an unused game code inside. 1) Will I still be able to use the code to upgrade my account &/or add time to it? 2) If I use the game code to upgrade my account, what do I get: a) Premium access, 1200 Paragon Points (equal to 1 month sub), plus unlocking the goodies (power slide, cape, etc)? |
1) Yes.
2a) No.
2b) Not quite.
2c) This would be accurate, provided you haven't used the code on that game account previously and have the right region (NA or EU).
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Are there actually people who think like this?
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Forgot the free server transfer, so they are actually paying you $5 to play. I'm happy with it, moar slots on protector for me.
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OR... you can save your month fee for a month and go premium.. use that sub fee to buy the new fluff and then resubscribe. Simple solution giving you the Freedom to choose.
Just my 2 cents