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Originally Posted by Bright
Do we actually have red-name clarification of this somewhere, Venom?
It would be nice (and, I think, fair-) if 400 points bought all of the magic pack costume bits, but I actually read that as "400 point for one of the Magic costume sets" not as "400 points for both", too. It's not terribly clear what they mean.  |
Complete Magic Costume Set (from the Magic Pack)
This is what he DID NOT say:
Magic Baron Costume Set (from the Magic Pack)
Magic Witch Costume Set (from the Magic Pack)
Magic Bolero and High Collar (from the Magic Pack)
You see, the sub-sets within the Magic Costume Set have specific names: Baron, Witch, High Collar, Magic Bolero. If that's what he meant, that's what he would have said.
While we haven't had redname clarification, I'm confident that ALL of the costume pieces from the Magic Pack will be available for 400pp. As mentioned earlier in this thread, the temp power from booster packs will probably also be 400pp, leaving the costume change emotes to make up another 200-400pp.
And who knows, maybe there will be "all costume pieces, plus temp power, plus costume change emotes" bundle for roughly $10.
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I am relatively certain we DO have Dev confirmation that things will NOT increase in price. Which means the total pack should still be purchasable, somehow, for no more than what it was originally sold for.
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Originally Posted by Sapphire7
And who knows, maybe there will be "all costume pieces, plus temp power, plus costume change emotes" bundle for roughly $10.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
I am relatively certain we DO have Dev confirmation that things will NOT increase in price. Which means the total pack should still be purchasable, somehow, for no more than what it was originally sold for.
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I mean it isn't like the examples posted at the start of this thread don't include an example bundle. IE the bundled magic set costumes for 400. If they are doing that then it sort of makes sense that they will offer the entire magic bundle for oh 700 - 800PP.
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The more I read through responses to this announcement, the more I agree with you. I mean people seriously thought, for realz, that the day Freedom launched, VIPs would lose up to 24 slots on certain servers! I just don't see how people can ignore reality, and probability, and assume ALL of the worst regarding this transition while we have THIS team of committed developers.|
Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
That of course makes perfect sense which is why so many people apparently can't see it. ::sigh::
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It defies... well... I would say logic, but that died on the 'net long ago. It defies SOMETHING, that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by Sapphire7
At first I questioned whether they meant all of the costume pieces or perhaps a sub-set, but I very quickly realized that it is very clearly all of the costume pieces. Why? Because this is what he said:
Complete Magic Costume Set (from the Magic Pack) This is what he DID NOT say: Magic Baron Costume Set (from the Magic Pack) Magic Witch Costume Set (from the Magic Pack) Magic Bolero and High Color (from the Magic Pack) You see, the sub-sets within the Magic Costume Set have specific names: Baron, Witch, High Collar, Magic Bolero. If that's what he meant, that's what he would have said. While we haven't had redname clarification, I'm confident that ALL of the costume pieces from the Magic Pack will be available for 400pp. As mentioned earlier in this thread, the temp power from booster packs will probably also be 400pp, leaving the costume change emotes to make up another 200-400pp. And who knows, maybe there will be "all costume pieces, plus temp power, plus costume change emotes" bundle for roughly $10. |
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
The more I read through responses to this announcement, the more I agree with you. I mean people seriously thought, for realz, that the day Freedom launched, VIPs would lose up to 24 slots on certain servers!
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1. Pure reading comprehension fail
This can spring from any number of factors, including
-Brain not fully awake yet
-Read too quickly due to anxiety and/or impatience
-Poor reading comprehension skills (hey, it happens.)
2. Absolute pessimistic view of the universe and a self-delusion that everyone is out to rip you off
3. Failure to read the post at all, and replying only to rumors and player assumptions
4. Trolling
Probably a mixture of the four, all considered. I was personally bewildered, but I know Paragon Studios has a long history of doing things that I LIKE, so I reserved judgement until I read more. The more I read, the more convinced I was that these changes were, at the very least, not going to be A Bad Thing, and were actually probably going to turn out to be pretty cool.
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BAH! Collar, not color! Stupid typos.
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Magic Bolero and High Color
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
We're not currently discussing specific items included in the new Paragon Market (outside of the specific examples we've already provided) however you can rest assured that there will be a wide variety of items available for purchase using your Paragon Points, much of which will be included automagically . . . [snip]
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Chad, if they can make normal level enhancements that vendor for 0 or 1inf, age like normal enhancements (TO, DO, SO), but could be used by any origin? That would work for me. Doesn't really undermine the game systems or economy (I think, could be wrong), useful, not buy to win, etc, making it a decent consumable item for players and the devs.
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I don't see anything wrong with that, specifically, but the post I was referring to (and the one it was linked to, ad infinitum) were discussing the possibility of selling Purple and PVP IOs via Paragon Points.|
Originally Posted by Psyte
Chad, if they can make normal level enhancements that vendor for 0 or 1inf, age like normal enhancements (TO, DO, SO), but could be used by any origin? That would work for me. Doesn't really undermine the game systems or economy (I think, could be wrong), useful, not buy to win, etc, making it a decent consumable item for players and the devs.
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But really, what would be the point of paying real money for an enhancement that's going to die in a few levels when you can pick up max-level SOs for just a few grand in the auction house?
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1. Other f2p games sell stuff that gets consumed and/or is limited use, so there's precedence.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I don't see anything wrong with that, specifically, but the post I was referring to (and the one it was linked to, ad infinitum) were discussing the possibility of selling Purple and PVP IOs via Paragon Points.
But really, what would be the point of paying real money for an enhancement that's going to die in a few levels when you can pick up max-level SOs for just a few grand in the auction house? |
2. Convenience. Got a few pp? Use those and save your influence. No waiting for the appropriate xO to be available on the market.
3. Accessibility. Free and Premium players will have restricted access to the market, right?
And I apologize; I read one thing and my mind jumped to this tangent.
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Originally Posted by Thany144
So you don't like the idea of NCSoft making money.
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IMO, they can sell whatever they want... just so long as it is not available through in-game activities already.
Okay it is July 1st my billing cycle is the first of each month, yet I cannot find where my 400 points are.
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Okay it is July 1st my billing cycle is the first of each month, yet I cannot find where my 400 points are.
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So, would you have a problem with them selling the new costume options that are purchaseable via Astral and Empyrean Merits as of this week? I do know at least a handful of people who would rather pay a few bucks to get the non-Incarnate pieces (the new chest emblems, emotes and trail auras, specifically) than run any trials.|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
IMO, they can sell whatever they want... just so long as it is not available through in-game activities already.
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I actually think that everything they just introduced this week, minus the two versions of Ascension Armor, will be available via microtransaction when CoHF/i21 go live.
That would bother you, even knowing that some people are perfectly willing to pay for it?
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ah well that makes more sense... just wish I had something to verify that they have been granted even if unusable atm, which I knew they wouldn't be useable till freedom came out I just thought we'd be able to have visual confirmation in the meantime of having them.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
You will receive them when CoH Freedom launches. Paragon Points do not exist right now.
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You just condradicted yourself. They can sell what they as long as it isnt what you say?? LOL Truth is we all dont really know squat about what will be sold other that costume pieces and certain arcs we will get for free anyway being a VIP. The rest is all guess work and in some cases fear running rampant. I dont personally care how some get stuff I just care how I get it. |
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
That's not what I said.
IMO, they can sell whatever they want... just so long as it is not available through in-game activities already. |
This is a game.
I think the point about selling things for cash is more about balance-breaking stuff like recipes and IOs. Paragon is going to do whatever they feel is best anyway, but I highly doubt they'll offer anything from the invention system in the Paragon Market. Or at least, let's say I would be really surprised. That seems like it could become a balance issue, and we all know how important balance is.
Yes, there are a lot of people who have many or most of their toons completely IOed out, and maybe have several purpled toons. But there are also a lot of people who don't have that much time to invest in the game, and so rely heavily on generic IOs or even SOs. It comes down to the percentage of the population that is IOed/Purpled out vs otherwise, and how the challenges in the game may or may not need to be ramped up in order to provide a greater challenge. Which, given precedent, Paragon is reluctant to revamp and rebalance content around IO sets.
So I doubt there will be purples available in the Paragon market. Just my two cents.
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Wouldn't they just amp up the difficulty for that one toon? Isnt that what Hero Corp does?
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Originally Posted by Sapphire7
I think the point about selling things for cash is more about balance-breaking stuff like recipes and IOs. Paragon is going to do whatever they feel is best anyway, but I highly doubt they'll offer anything from the invention system in the Paragon Market. Or at least, let's say I would be really surprised. That seems like it could become a balance issue, and we all know how important balance is.
Yes, there are a lot of people who have many or most of their toons completely IOed out, and maybe have several purpled toons. But there are also a lot of people who don't have that much time to invest in the game, and so rely heavily on generic IOs or even SOs. It comes down to the percentage of the population that is IOed/Purpled out vs otherwise, and how the challenges in the game may or may not need to be ramped up in order to provide a greater challenge. Which, given precedent, Paragon is reluctant to revamp and rebalance content around IO sets. So I doubt there will be purples available in the Paragon market. Just my two cents. |
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Wouldn't they just amp up the difficulty for that one toon? Isnt that what Hero Corp does?
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Then again, there are also people who have trouble soloing a +0/x1 mission with no AVs on an IO build (though that's largely due to the AT/powersets chosen).
But I'd rather not see this thread devolve into another discussion about why they should allow soloing in content intended for teams, etc.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
There are some people who can solo a level 54 Archvillain without breaking a sweat thanks to the benefits of IO builds. They're few and far between, but they're out there.
Then again, there are also people who have trouble soloing a +0/x1 mission with no AVs on an IO build (though that's largely due to the AT/powersets chosen). But I'd rather not see this thread devolve into another discussion about why they should allow soloing in content intended for teams, etc. |
You can pretty much 100% bet there will be things in the store available for purchase in game with inf.
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It would bother me... but not for the reason I stated here. It would bug me that ANY of the non-Ascension pieces are tied to the Incarnate system at all... which is an entirely separate problem. If that were fixed, there would be no reason to sell them for cash, and thus I wouldn't have an issue at all.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
So, would you have a problem with them selling the new costume options that are purchaseable via Astral and Empyrean Merits as of this week? I do know at least a handful of people who would rather pay a few bucks to get the non-Incarnate pieces (the new chest emblems, emotes and trail auras, specifically) than run any trials.
I actually think that everything they just introduced this week, minus the two versions of Ascension Armor, will be available via microtransaction when CoHF/i21 go live. |
But to answer your question... NO I don't think those should be available for real money, either.
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I'm assuming you mean as long as it isn't the reward for some very significant in-game activity. I'm guessing you'd be concerned if they sold, say, HOs, but not if they sold, say, inspirations or costume recipes. The issue I think you're concerned about is devaluement. Selling something in the store has a chance to devalue all other ways of earning it. For things that have no other way to earn them, or have ways to earn them that are themselves not valued by the players anyway, that issue largely vanishes.|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
That's not what I said.
IMO, they can sell whatever they want... just so long as it is not available through in-game activities already. |
I probably don't draw the line as harshly as you probably do, but it is a concern of mine.
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While I don't blame you for skipping a couple thousand posts, you might want to go back and skim the redname replies, or look through the Dev digest. New characters will still have access to the Vet Rewards we have now - and in fact may be able to unlock them sooner (since unlocks will be based on Reward Tokens, or what have you, instead of months played). There are also statements to the effect of "the veteran reward system will be better, and the rewards themselves will be better".
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