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[Signature Story Arcs are] $5 per Month.
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If the quo is statusd what that refers to is buying things in game with paragon points, and paragon points you'll have to purchase via the ncsoft store...
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Originally Posted by Astrale_Champion
Have never used the online game store...but at the first post by Ghost Falcon he says we will be able to buy things within the game. Also they said something in the original announcement that you will be able to buy things without leaving what you are doing.
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Again, you'll probably be able to pay for Paragon Points on the character select screen the same way you do now for server transfers, rename tokens and bonus character slots.
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Originally Posted by MrDead
If the quo is statusd what that refers to is buying things in game with paragon points, and paragon points you'll have to purchase via the ncsoft store...
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It all depends on how/what they will charge vet players for. Currently we'll get 400 points a month free and a server transfer free and the signature story free....so down the road they release a new powerset. Are the vets getting this free or are they going to have to pay for it? Is it going to suck up all 400 points or will it cost far more then that? Say time manipulation costs 1200 points. That means that you'll have to buy PP or wait 3 months after issue 21 comes out to purchase it...we don't know if vets are getting that powerset free. It's likely they're not.|
Originally Posted by Pheonyx
Don't forget the 1 free server transfer (which costs $10 for free/premium accounts and what we pay now before the switch) and the free Signature Story Arcs (which will cost 400PP or $5 for free/premium players according to the chart Ghost Falcon posted) as well as a server that only VIP subscribers can access. All for the same price we pay now.
For a free/premium player to get all of that per month, they have to spend $20/month on PPs to purchase the Arcs and the server transfer and save up the 400 PP that VIPs get for free and they STILL can't get to the VIP server. Ashes to ashes, Pheonyx |
So say an issue comes out and it has 2 powersets at 600 pp, a costume set at 400 pp and another 400 pp for some emotes/costume changes and 200 for a small story arc with badge... so the issue ends up costing a total of 1600 points. We just don't know with the information we've been given and what a vet will get for "free" as we'll still be paying our 15 bucks a month.
Say that we don't get any of that free, now we have to wait months to use free points (4 of them for the above example) or pay for PP @ 5 bucks / 400 to get the stuff nao on top of our monthly fee.
Thats all theoretical as we don't know what we'll actually get in all aspects of the game as a veteran payer.
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Time Manipulation has been stated to be included for VIP subscribers. Not free--if you drop your subscription, you lose access to it, but you keep if as long as your subscription is active. Access to Time Manipulation can, of course, be purchased by Free/Premium players.|
Originally Posted by Djeannie
Say time manipulation costs 1200 points. That means that you'll have to buy PP or wait 3 months after issue 21 comes out to purchase it...we don't know if vets are getting that powerset free. It's likely they're not.
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The recent Massively.com article implied that the "Titan Weapons" powerset coming in the future will require additional purchase, though.
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There will always be content in every future issue that VIPs have included with their subscription that Free/Premium players will need to purchase access to. There may be some content that everyone needs to pay for. There will also always be things that are free for everyone (such as access to the new First Ward zone), just as teasers to get the Free/Premium players subscribing to get the rest of what they're missing out on. And we know that there will be some content such as the Incarnate system that will only be accessible by VIP subscribers.
I have faith that as new issues approach the development team will make us aware of what will be included in the subscription fee and what needs to be purchased additionally.
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Reasonable is a matter of opinion and many people won't share it.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Reasonable. You can buy everything bit by bit over the course of four months at no additional cost beyond your subscription, or you can pay them a bit of extra cash if you absolutely have to have the new stuff ASAP. There's also going to be all sorts of nifty little consumeable bonuses for sale that will compete for your 400 subscriber points, such as Double XP bonuses and Enhancement Deslotters. There will always be content in every future issue that VIPs have included with their subscription that Free/Premium players will need to purchase access to. There may be some content that everyone needs to pay for. There will also always be things that are free for everyone (such as access to the new First Ward zone), just as teasers to get the Free/Premium players subscribing to get the rest of what they're missing out on. And we know that there will be some content such as the Incarnate system that will only be accessible by VIP subscribers. I have faith that as new issues approach the development team will make us aware of what will be included in the subscription fee and what needs to be purchased additionally. |
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Does anyone know when the "new" store is going up? I have a sinking feeling we are going get screwed on Booster Packs when they make the change. If 400 PPs = $20, then 400 should be enough to buy 2 whole booster packs, and by the looks of the prices Second Measure released, it's not even close.
Soo.. that means I'll need to drop a bunch of cash getting the boosters now before we get nickle and dime'ed to death.
Also, is it 400 points PER account? I have 3 accounts but only 1 master NCSoft account obviously.. I'd like not to get screwed another way.
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400 Paragon Points is valued at approximately $5 US. You get 400 Paragon Points each month per paid VIP account.|
Originally Posted by Benchpresser
Does anyone know when the "new" store is going up? I have a sinking feeling we are going get screwed on Booster Packs when they make the change. If 400 PPs = $20, then 400 should be enough to buy 2 whole booster packs, and by the looks of the prices Second Measure released, it's not even close.
Soo.. that means I'll need to drop a bunch of cash getting the boosters now before we get nickle and dime'ed to death. Also, is it 400 points PER account? I have 3 accounts but only 1 master NCSoft account obviously.. I'd like not to get screwed another way. |
So you will get 400 PPs added to each of your 3 accounts each month, NOT 1200 added to your Master Account, in the same way that Game and Time Cards are applied to each account.
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Originally Posted by Benchpresser
Does anyone know when the "new" store is going up? I have a sinking feeling we are going get screwed on Booster Packs when they make the change. If 400 PPs = $20, then 400 should be enough to buy 2 whole booster packs, and by the looks of the prices Second Measure released, it's not even close.
Soo.. that means I'll need to drop a bunch of cash getting the boosters now before we get nickle and dime'ed to death. Also, is it 400 points PER account? I have 3 accounts but only 1 master NCSoft account obviously.. I'd like not to get screwed another way. |
The entire costume component of the magic booster is 400 PP. presumably the other bits of it also cost around 400 PP for a total of 800 PP or possibly there is a discount for the entire set and as a set the booster costs say 700PP if you buy it that way rather than piece by piece.
It is 400 per account not per master account.
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We don't know that... it's unclear from the wording so far. I read it as a one-time expense, personally.
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To further illustrate - VIP get's 400 pts, 1 Character Transfer per month and sig story arcs included in their sub.
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As such, I think its a one time buy per arc/arcs for Premium and Free players. Makes the most sense to me.
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Ha, I was going to say this. It was Microsoft and they still do it. Each version of Windows amounts to essentially a point release of bug fixes and you're lucky if any of the bugs get fixed. Then they redesign the interface by moving things around and obfuscating what was once easy to use so as to create the illusion of new features all the while introducing more bugs. Windows has not changed too much at all since it was first created (the switch to NT was a big change) and strangely enough requires more resources (and cooling hardware) with each revision. |
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Well.. though I didn't put forward this idea and don't agree with it.. Microsoft and Intel did exactly that. Or was it Norton and Intel. Anyway it's been done.
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I'd say it's very, very unlikely to happen here, but other companies have done and still do nasty things like this.
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PC Gamers are getting screwed over bad by MS right now with DirectX 10/11.
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I thought DX10/11 required Vista or Windows 7. Seems no different than my experiences with OSX, honestly. "Sorry, we're moving up the OSX requirements for everything, including iTunes, so you have to upgrade your OS and/or hardware."
Hell, they're dropping Rosetta in Lion, so no Lion unless you're running all Universal Binaries or x86 native applications. Home owners might not care, but that sucks for several businesses I deal with. Of course, this is normal for software companies, period, so....
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At least that doesn't affect CoH... it's built off of OpenGL, not DirectX.
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It's one of the reasons they could not not port it to run natively under OSX (Unix) and had to wrap the game for OSX in a Windows emulator.
EDIT: OpenGL is for video only. For audio OpenAL exists....not sure what exists currently as an open input device library.
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Well that was a moment of stupidity on my part. I believe you are correct, Junkie.
I even wrote that last post JUST after I did a test session with a client's PC and used his "Default DirectSound Device" to test audio playback in some software. *facepalm* 
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Well that was a moment of stupidity on my part. I believe you are correct, Junkie.
I even wrote that last post JUST after I did a test session with a client's PC and used his "Default DirectSound Device" to test audio playback in some software. *facepalm* |
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I am not too interested in the current costume pieces as I've bought most of the booster packs already.
What is a "Signature Story"?
The one free character transfer per month as VIP is good.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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The one free character transfer per month as VIP is good.
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400 free points? That sounds great! With the current content that they will have for sale, this is a wonderful deal.
Now think hypothetically, the Devs decide to drop atleast 3 booster packs worth of extra content into the market all at once.
That is a lot of stuff in a short amount of time! How many people buy everything as soon as something releases? 400 points suddenly is a tiny amount in comparison of what they need to get everything.
I'm all for new content, costumes, and powers... but in moderation. If they keep pushing out tons and tons of content at a rapid pace, a lot of people are going to get left behind real quick.
Those people that think, "I need it and I need it now" pull out their credit cards and buy the extra points anyway.
Profit. So much profit. Now I will be a VIP member, so I am paying $15/month already, I'm not trying to be a free loader at all, but I would feel pretty overwhelmed and a little upset that so much content is passing me up. I would constantly be thinking, "I need to save up this many months so I can get this." By the time you can afford that one thing, thousands of items are on sale that you also want. Vicious cycle.
Obviously, it's nice of them to offer free points in the first place. However, I can only hope that content will be released at a slow steady pace so that people can still save points, especially those people like me that love deals (50% off on booster packs?! Heck yeah!).
I was a little worried when I first heard about the F2P Paragon Point Store, but from what I read it looks like it will be ok. As long what I mentioned above doesn't happen.
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I have a question regarding this. Do these stack or is it "use it or lose it"? I would imagine it is the later.
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What is a "Signature Story"?
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You might stop a bank robbery with Synapse, or do the robbery yourself alongside Ghost Widow. While those are cheezy examples, it should give you the idea.
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I was a little worried when I first heard about the F2P Paragon Point Store, but from what I read it looks like it will be ok. As long what I mentioned above doesn't happen.
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I expect that we'll see a LOT of new content get dumped in the stores upon each future issue's release with the point total adding up into the thousands, with a slow trickle of new things added month to month between issues to keep interest up and points getting spent.
Also keep in mind that, with CoHF/i21's launch, you'll have at least 1200 points (providing you keep your subscription active between now and then) banked up--if not more! If they put 2000 points worth of costume options and temporary powers in the store on the launch date and you've got 1600 in your pocket, then you can't really blame them if you're the one who feels the need to pay an additional $5 to get them immediately.
(I'm in the same boat. In the situation listed above, they're almost certainly getting my $5.)
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Hmmm... If I keep going annual, and buy 3 boosters worth of points? It'll be like I'm paying $14.45/month, and I'll get 7,200 points minimum. Hmmm...
Ok, I'll admit my SEARCHFU is weak but when I read "In addition, purchasing Paragon Points for use in the Paragon Market will improve your Paragon Rewards standing." It makes me wonder what my Paragon Rewards standing is/will be/should be/want to be/etc. I've left other games because I wanted a casual game that I can play an hour or two on multiple evenings in a week and not devote OMG I HAVE TO GET IN ON THE RAID!!!111! The incarnate trials are leaning toward that but I thank all the powers that be that they are short in duration.
I love this game. I have nearly a dozen lvl 50's and most at at least +1 at this point. I don't really expect to switch over to any of the other MMO's out there but I'm curious as to this Paragon Rewards standing is and what will come of it.
Thanks for your consideration.
I would add that Paragon Studios is not the group who is receiving our payments - NCSoft is who the charges are made out to. The Devs are not in charge of how much the game costs us. Even if we love and trust the Devs, it's the giant, faceless Conglomerate that collects our money.
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NCSoft is hardly a conglomerate. They provide the hardware and infrastructure and all the "hard" ware to make this game work. I think that the game provides enough value for the money I spend on it now. However that could change...and the "conglomerate" knows full well that most MMO's are providing free to play today and raising prices would be suicide for the player base. If they can turn more people into subscribing and/or microtransacting, the added revenue will help offset future costs. It is simple economics...new hardware and software costs money and we all need to remember that.
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