Time's Top 10 Superhero Films
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Posted on: 2011-06-16 10:02 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Just a minor point, it seems more that Norton dropped Marvel, similar to Howard leaving Iron Man.
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Hah, Hancock doesn't even come close. It was better than My Super Ex-Girlfriend, but every movie on the list was way better.|
Originally Posted by Ironik
I'm a comic book fan and a movie fan, and I thought Watchmen was mostly tedious interspersed with interesting moments.
Off the top of my head, I would put The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Fantastic Four 2 or Hancock on that list before I ever considered Watchmen. Or the Batman cartoon, for that matter. |
Also, you aren't talking about the Ang Lee Hulk I assume?
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Originally Posted by Bad_Luck
Hah, Hancock doesn't even come close. It was better than My Super Ex-Girlfriend, but every movie on the list was way better.
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I don't actually hate Lee's Hulk the way most people do. It's almost exactly what I expected from Ang Lee doing a superhero movie. I also really admire his choice to go with the split-screen effect, as that really increased the degree of difficulty to get all the pieces to mesh together well. He created a helluva lot more work for everyone by doing that. It's just that in the meantime other movies have come out that I prefer over it.
I'd probably put The Hulk and Unbreakable at 11 and 12 respectively.
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Why? The incredibles and Timmverse movies are plenty worthy compared to some of the l/a stuff out there.
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Originally Posted by Acemace
I'd remove the cartoons or even comprise their own separate list from the l/a films.
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I agree. I just finished watching The Incredibles again and that thing just never gets old. It's the best superhero movie ever made, bar none. Only Iron Man is a contender. I like The Dark Knight, but I mostly just watch ledger's parts and skip the rest.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Luck
Why? The incredibles and Timmverse movies are plenty worthy compared to some of the l/a stuff out there.
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That's why it sucked. There's artistic vision and there's doing a superhero movie which always has certain expectations that come along with it.|
Originally Posted by Ironik
I don't actually hate Lee's Hulk the way most people do. It's almost exactly what I expected from Ang Lee doing a superhero movie
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Also, both Fantastic Fours were terrible as well. I enjoyed Hancock more.
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When I saw this list the other day and made my first reply, I knew there was a movie I was trying to think of that I couldn't believe wasn't on the list. Now that I've thought of it, I can't believe no one else mentioned it before me.
Mystery Men
And yeah, I know the inevitable "If you couldn't think of it it must not have been that good" is coming next. I don't care. My inability to think of it had more to do with sensory overload at thinking about all the movies that did make the list and trying to see what was actually good about them to warrant them being on the list.
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I didn't mention it because I don't care for it. It has some good moments, but overall I don't care for it. I prefer The Specials.
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I loved that movie, good call, but I wouldn't put it in my top ten.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
When I saw this list the other day and made my first reply, I knew there was a movie I was trying to think of that I couldn't believe wasn't on the list. Now that I've thought of it, I can't believe no one else mentioned it before me.
Mystery Men And yeah, I know the inevitable "If you couldn't think of it it must not have been that good" is coming next. I don't care. My inability to think of it had more to do with sensory overload at thinking about all the movies that did make the list and trying to see what was actually good about them to warrant them being on the list. |
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If that's the case, then what's the difference between CGI and animation?|
Originally Posted by Furio
I'd tend to agree with putting live action in a separate list from animated, if only for the additional technical challenge of doing live-action superheroics and not having it look silly/sloppy.
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I don't think anyone puts Superman on their list because the special effects were awesome. They did it because the movie was good. An animated movie has a plot, characters, and visuals just like a live-action movie.
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If we can include slightly tongue in cheek movies, then Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog should be somewhere in a top 10. I think most wouldn't include something that spoofs the genre, since a list usually is supposed to denote the best of a genre, but... it does hit many of the themes of the genre while spoofing it, and actually has a good story and pathos, compared to some of the superhero movies that actually had a studio backing the budget.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
When I saw this list the other day and made my first reply, I knew there was a movie I was trying to think of that I couldn't believe wasn't on the list. Now that I've thought of it, I can't believe no one else mentioned it before me.
Mystery Men And yeah, I know the inevitable "If you couldn't think of it it must not have been that good" is coming next. I don't care. My inability to think of it had more to do with sensory overload at thinking about all the movies that did make the list and trying to see what was actually good about them to warrant them being on the list. |
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Thank you! I was going to be very disappointed if no one mentioned this by the time I reached the end of the thread. One of my favorites of all time.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I'd put The Crow on my top ten personally.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I'd put The Crow on my top ten personally.
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Thank you! I was going to be very disappointed if no one mentioned this by the time I reached the end of the thread. One of my favorites of all time.
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Actually, the main reason to list Superman or Superman II are the special effects and the performance of Christopher Reeve. The writing was HORRIBLE, with plots that had massive holes that had to rely on deus ex machina devices to resove issues. Lex was a villain who was a joke, quite literally. As much as I disliked Superman Returns, at least Spacey's version of Lex was somewhat threatening, and Michael Rosenbaum's Lex was better than either.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
If that's the case, then what's the difference between CGI and animation?
I don't think anyone puts Superman on their list because the special effects were awesome. They did it because the movie was good. An animated movie has a plot, characters, and visuals just like a live-action movie. |
I completely agree that The Incredibles deserves the top spot, followed by The Dark Knight. I would take X2 over Blade 2, mainly because that opening scene was epic. I would list Tim Burton's Batman over any Superman movie -- Jack was a great Joker, almost as good as Heath Ledger's version. There is yet to be a good Superman movie that deserves a spot on a top 20 list, much less top 10.
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The thing is, the 1978 Superman did get the ball rolling for "modern" superhero films. Or would you rather give that honor to the 1989 Batman?
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Oh thank god! I thought I was the only person on these boards who felt that way! EVERYBODY says how great it was. I only noticed HL's part. And I even like Maggie Gyllenhaal (ok, mostly just cuz Secretary is such a freaky hot flick, ya got me). |
Originally Posted by Ironik
... I mostly just watch ledger's parts and skip the rest.
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However, I AM the only person on these boards that would put Ghost Rider on the list. Probably like 9 or 10, but I still love that movie.
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I'd give it to Spider-Man.
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The thing is, the 1978 Superman did get the ball rolling for "modern" superhero films. Or would you rather give that honor to the 1989 Batman?
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Modern big budget suerhero movies were indeed started by Spiderman and probably X-Men 1|
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I'd give it to Spider-Man.
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Superman and Batman from the 70s all the way into the 90s do not count as moder big budget superhero movies as they are part of a generation of movies that rode a bubble that popped...both of them actually could be seen as creating their own bubbles and riding them till they exploded in their faces, but thats a different story.
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I'd give it to Spider-Man.
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D'oh! Now that was one I completely forgot about. It's utterly brilliant and belongs on the list. If you've seen the DVD, it's even more impressive because they wrote an entire second musical as a commentary.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
If we can include slightly tongue in cheek movies, then Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog should be somewhere in a top 10. I think most wouldn't include something that spoofs the genre, since a list usually is supposed to denote the best of a genre, but... it does hit many of the themes of the genre while spoofing it, and actually has a good story and pathos, compared to some of the superhero movies that actually had a studio backing the budget.
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However, I AM the only person on these boards that would put Ghost Rider on the list. Probably like 9 or 10, but I still love that movie.
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If I didn't already mention 3 films in my Honorable Mention, I might include the GR Film. GR is a 'ok' film. I just don't think it really fits the tone of what the List was going for.
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Here's my list (colored by personal preferences and bias...):
1)Spiderman - yeah the first one. As a long time fan, I just think raimi nailed this movie and the spiderman origin story even if he took liberties. After initially not liking the idea, the change to natural webspinners made me realize how ridiculous the mechanical web shooter idea was and how much better this idea worked. Looking forward to seeing how the new take works out, but I have a feeling it might just strengthen my stand on this movie.
2)The Dark Knight - and I'm not even a big batman fan, and the first movie, although very well done, put me to sleep at times. This movie was fantastic, however, and Ledger gave the best villain performance I've ever seen, and pretty much stole the movie.
3)X-Men 2 - the first one was a good attempt, but had lots of flaws in terms of plot and flow, imo. This movie nailed it though and proves you don't have to focus on just one or two characters to make a great movie. Wish I could have seen what singer would have done with the dark phoenix story, but after superman returns, maybe it's better I didn't, lol.
4)Iron Man - like the batman situation, I'm not a big iron man fan, but this movie was great. Downey nailed the character and made the movie fun to watch.
5)Superman - granted, if it came out today it probably wouldn't rank as high, but I have to put it here as a nastalgia pick if nothing else. Even after that, even despite the obvious story/plot problems, this movie was fun to watch, reeve WAS superman, and hackman gave a fun portrayal of lex luthor. Maybe you could swap this for Superman 2 if you wanted to, they were both favorites of mine as a kid.
6)Sky High - I put it here because its a movie I shouldn't like, it's basically a disney kids movie. But it wasn't, its a fun, superhero team movie with a ton of great acting performances and great story.
7)Hellboy 2 - Yeah, not 1. I loved the villain in this movie and preferred the story vs. the original. I never read any of the comics, but pearlman creates a great character that is fun to watch, and despite the bizarre set up, a great movie, imo.
8)Watchmen - this seems to be a love it or hate it choice, but I loved it. Never read the comics so I don't have that grudge going in, and I loved the unique story angle, characters and felt the actors they picked did a great job with the material.
9)The Incredible Hulk - the norton version. I loved how they went with the tv version angle and norton was great as banner. Too bad they dumped him for the avengers.
10)Thor - before seeing this I was ready for the possibility this could end up being a ridiculous mess considering the tough set up - a norse god becomes an american superhero... but they nailed it with a great origin story. The movie is far from perfect, but this gets high grades due to degree of difficulty, imo, and some relatively unknown actors put in some pretty good performances.