Free the names!
Even if there were a rule to superhero naming - and there is none - you mean exceptions, plural. Claiming that only certain names work for superheroes is as pointless as claiming "all of the good names are taken".
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Probably would have been easier for you to just admit that those names are a very distinct minority in the genre than to try to score points over the semantics of "exceptions" vs "exception" but, hey, internet arguments and all.
I claimed no such thing. I said that the devs recognized that names in the superhero genre held a different character than in other genres, your attempts to cling to every edge case not withstanding.
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If you can provide a quote of precisely what the devs said, I'll address that. If you've accurately summarized their contention that superhero names are "a different animal", then let me state for the record, having furnished several counter-examples of all-but-unpronounceable names* from three prominent comics in three very different superheroic subgenres, that the devs are wrong.
* Ignoring the even more numerous examples of merely silly sounding ones.
Captain Carrot Ironfoundersson serves with other Dwarfs, Trolls, Humans, Werewolves, Undead, and Gnomes under the command of Sir Vimes.
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Were this a literary discussion in the common room at All Souls College, I might be moved to debate that this is because superhero comics, unlike the purer genres of science fiction and fantasy, are inherently aware of their absurd element and, at their best, incorporate it into their character (Superman has Mxyzptlk and Bizzaro, and Batman, the preeminently intimidating superhero, has an arch-nemesis who regularly laughs in his face). It's not, so I'm going to get back to levelling Codename Carrot-top, who blended in without comment on the Virtue server last night.
Now who's arguing semantics? Are you telling us with a straight face that you posted your paraphrase of the devs' position - including your own unique example of a name that was somehow acceptable in a fantasy game but not a superhero one - but in your heart of hearts you disagreed with it?
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If you can provide a quote of precisely what the devs said, I'll address that. |
let me state for the record, having furnished several counter-examples of all-but-unpronounceable names* from three prominent comics in three very different superheroic subgenres |
Originally Posted by Me!
Probably would have been easier for you to just admit that those names are a very distinct minority in the genre than to try to score points over the semantics of "exceptions" vs "exception" but, hey, internet arguments and all.
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I've no idea what's up with the "Carrot" thing. That would be a great, folksy name for a halfling/hobbit type or someone from a farming community. I suppose a dwarf or something named Carrot (Deadly Carrot, Carrotbeard, whatever) would be taken more as a joke but it'd be a far cry from the usual female ogres named Mamabighugglezzz and Hugebewwbz.
Anachronistic names are more fun. Anyone remember the flack in an early MMORPG over "Patiofurniture" on the RP server?
Anyone who thinks a name involving "Carrot" wouldn't fly in a fantasy based MMORPG has obviously never played a fantasy based MMORPG.
Much as I appreciate the works of Sir Terry Pratchett, he writes parodies (excellent, witty, hilarious parodies) of fantasy, not typical fantasy.
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There's a reason why Professor Tolkien's books, with their stringent linguistic rules and high tone, have been adapted into video games but not his. |
*I* have all the good names. I have hoarded them on the various servers. ALL of the good names. I have the last 36 good names reserved on all servers. These are it, folks. These are the very, very last of the good names.
I am willing to part with some of these names. 1bil inf per name. Compose and email with the inf and which name you are wanting. You will NOT get a good name w/o paying me because I have them all.
@cossatot
Got to say you are wrong with that idea.
A parody of the genre is not the same as an example of the genre, hence it being a parody.
Barry Potter and the chamber of comerce, is not for example a childrens fantasy book. Despite parodying the Harry Potter series.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Actually, the Flaming Carrot was exactly the character I was thinking of when I said "animate carrot". Do you not know what words mean?
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* It contains a secret compartment where he keeps his nuclear-powered pogo stick.
I was quite explicit in stating a "typical" fantasy setting in order to rule out parodic ones (not an insignificant subgenre). In Bored of the Rings, the protagonist is named "Frito", and one of the armies is composed of animate vegetables. It's not widely considered a typical example of fantasy.
Look at how wrong you are. |
(The forum ban on mentioning other video games really crimps these discussions. We all know about a certain MMORPG adapted from the works of a famous Oxford don, so why can't we come out and say it?)
You scurrilous cad!
Actually I can imagine Carrotbeard being a perfectly normal nickname for a person with a strawberry-blonde full beard.
Also I do think taking the time to free up names or implement a system where this is done automatically would be more important than implementing the whole Incarnate business at all to begin with. I mean it's a roleplaying game, not a hunter and gatherer game.
Certainly it is reasonable to suppose people to choose a different but still very fitting name if that particular one is taken, but at some point the reasonable alternatives might just all be gone (particularly if you're not all that creative with language), which I think would be worse than some guy finding out that his one character that he played some year ago suddenly would have to choose a different name, especially because if the alternatives regularly open up there's no problem for anyone to take these names as opportunity arrises, whereas this problem would over time steadily increase if no according measures were taken.
Let's please not assume that everyone is a genius character creator who comes up with the most unusual persons who in turn can make use of the most unusal names, but instead that the average Joe comes up with average heroes with average hero names. I wonder just how many Captain America or Superman variants there are as opposed to Tokyo Akazukin or Wolpertinger variants...
Actually I can imagine Carrotbeard being a perfectly normal nickname for a person with a strawberry-blonde full beard.
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* Whoever derails this thread into a discussion of what constitutes a top-notch fantasy character wins the Internet.
Let's please not assume that everyone is a genius character creator who comes up with the most unusual persons who in turn can make use of the most unusal names, but instead that the average Joe comes up with average heroes with average hero names. |
I don't have the endurance to write down stories, as much as I do like coming up with them. I imagine I could draw ocassional small sketches though, albeit they would look like mudslime. I'm ony really good at drawing psychotic horror-trip monsters upfront.
Well, so-called "talents" are really only honed skills, and I don't see how my post makes it seem as though I thought different, but as a matter of fact not all people have their skills developed equally, or even sometimes stiffled (bad pedagogy, accidents damaging a repsectively important part of the body, etc.), which is what I was talking about.
But I guess you're right, those inhibitors you listed are probably the worst. Which, however, doesn't mean at all we can't do our best to at least weaken those inhibitors we can do something about, one of which is unusable names.
And I do think it is perfectly acceptable to set arbitrary personal rules for something that you want to make appear in an arbitrarily chosen special fashion, particularly because this isn't science that can influence society's way and quality of life, but indeed a very private and leisurely activity. I certainly wasn't happy at all when I realised I couldn't do a reasonably true to the original Tokyo Akazukin-hommage, because I just love both comic and character.
There's a reason why Professor Tolkien's books, with their stringent linguistic rules and high tone, have been adapted into video games but not his. And if I tried to play a character named after one from Bored of the Rings in one of them, I'd be breaking immersion (and would probably get generic'ed by a mod).
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Well, hobbits do tend to have pastorally themed nicknames, so it would probably have gotten by. Their actual names have very different rules of construction, though, so Prof. T would have given a gamma for that. He was, after all, profoundly obsessed with the linguistic aspects of his fantasy world. The success of his books unfortunately has ensured that most would-be writers of high fantasy often become entangled in their attempts to devise their own ersatz high elvish and the like.
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People HERE give a lot more of a crap about names than there. Especially now that the game's been ruined by F2P
Well, hobbits do tend to have pastorally themed nicknames, so it would probably have gotten by. Their actual names have very different rules of construction, though, so Prof. T would have given a gamma for that. He was, after all, profoundly obsessed with the linguistic aspects of his fantasy world. The success of his books unfortunately has ensured that most would-be writers of high fantasy often become entangled in their attempts to devise their own ersatz high elvish and the like.
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That has nothing to do with MMORPGs and what names will get "modded" in an "Orks 'n Dorks" (as you put it) fantasy MMORPG. Your quaint notions of what'll fly in the fantasy MMORPG world suggests that you've never actually played any of them.
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Very few people actually read the ToS for MMO's.
Even fewer actually read the 'rules' for their server type.
They still complain and pettition about every name they dislike, even the ones that don't break the rules.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Where to find me after the end:
The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
Where to find me after the end:
The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
Fwiw, there is/was a Discworld MUD too. You got to name your character and everything.
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I assumed his point was that usually it was the people complaining that were ignorant of the rules.
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Exactly that.
Having to explain to numpty after numpty, that no your character does not know the given name of my mask wearing, mystery rogue. However his nom de plume or street name, might be known. So why would he be Tobias Jackmoorn, when he masquerades as the dashing Rapier, scourge of the upper classes.
But apparantly it is totally in the rules that your character had to have a 'real' name (it wasn't btw).
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
*You* may not like certain names - but that's your own self imposed limitation. Not a rule for everyone else.