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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
You sound awfully bitter.
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Originally Posted by WarScribe
Vinny could rad very well, I won't deny that. But I would not use the word "elite" for anyone, from any time period throughout this game. Not because they werent great, but the term "elite" is just gay. Artic is good, and Void was also good. Good luck with this league and drama.
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once upon a time before many people had heard of pvp or even this game, there used to be 2 pvp ladders that frequently had matches and practices on test nightly. each ladder had nearly a dozen teams with double to triple the rosters of teams nowadays. not to mention zones (especially on freedom, and even on champion at one time) used to be packed. There was definitely enough of a population for a few to be above and beyond the skill of many others.
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Originally Posted by MrLiberty
I like to think of myself as a tastey left over you can enjoy at like 3 AM after going out to eat. Pretty good, for whats left.
Wuz just messing, most of my active pve toons are on Virtue so I'd be the last person who could talk. RP or not, doesn't change the fact you're still probably the best rad/caller I ever teamed with, even if it was just mostly for KB. |
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Originally Posted by Silas
This is a pretty good point. Besides, I don't think that even before the pvp changes that the pvp population was big enough for there to be any real 'elite'.
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
While the term "elite" is definitely laughable itself as a word, and I'll agree with Scribe in the overall usage of said term, especially considering the comparison of this game's competitive population to... say, WoW; you are certainly wrong about the PvP population not being sizeable enough.
Prior to the changes, there was a clear distinction between a normal player and good player. Going beyond that, there was a definite distinction between "good" and "highly-skilled". |
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Generally, anyone arguing against this reality is bitter about being excluded from the list of so called "highly-skilled" players. Sorry, but that's just the cold hard reality of it. Practically every person that I see harping on about players being overrated, or the skill brackets being nothing but a group of friends fraternizing and back-patting in order to appear to be better than they are, it's generally the same individuals that were notable benchwarmers, farm targets, or players who (while good) could not quite cut it.
That's not me being an elitist, as I've worked with a lot of really terrible/new players in order to answer their questions and build them up in order to compete, that's just reality. |
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Originally Posted by Silas
The skill and talking about skill thing is interesting however. I don't know about pvp, but its certainly the case in pve that the more someone talks about how good they are, the more likely it is they're not actually very good. Might not be the case in pvp I suppose, due to it being much more competitive by its nature.
The best pve players I know/knew didn't spend a lot of time (if any) talking about how good they were. They were too busy being good |
good stuff.
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Originally Posted by Braije
Yes, in the current league there are some very elite PvP'ers and happy to be there PvPing with and vs them. As far as comparable to skill of ones in the past, again the response is yes. They were elite then and they are still elite now, specifically some of the players in this league.
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Originally Posted by Void
It's my understanding that the majority of the players participating in this league are new to pvp and many of which have no experience outside of the pvp bootcamp recently hosted on champion. .
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Originally Posted by Shaytanah
Well, a lot of the players have been PvP'ing for quite a while. Yes, alot of players are new to PvP. But if we follow the old road of extreme elites dominating then no one new wants to keep PvPing.
Personally I don't care about skill levels, who wins, who loses, who is leet. I care about having a blast with a bunch of cool people, getting the adrenaline pumping, and having a massive, sh*t-eating grin when I log for the night. This PvP league has, so far, accomplished all of that for me. This makes it win and nothing less. |
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Originally Posted by Cherry Cupcakes
mad love shay, mad mad love. <3
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Originally Posted by Shaytanah
But if we follow the old road of extreme elites dominating then no one new wants to keep PvPing.
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
I ran PvP server events on Champion long before the CAPE did, and with that in mind, and having participated in several server leagues and Test ladders, I can tell you right now that the amount of new player influx has generally been the same. "Elite PvPers" dominating be damned.
The "elite" PvPers always called for newer players to join the ranks and learn to play, and despite general ribbing and **** talk, were conducive to such an environment. If the attitude from newer players is that the so called "skilled" can't join their club and PvP either. Is... is that a bell in the distance I hear? Oh no, that's just hypocrisy. |
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Originally Posted by Cherry Cupcakes
Are you saying we have no skilled pvpers in this current league?
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
Not at the level there was on test in its heyday, that's for sure (and I'd never count myself among the skilled, etc.).
Just enjoy this league for what it is, a bunch of people having fun on Sundays for a few hours. |
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If the attitude from newer players is that the so called "skilled" can't join their club and PvP either. Is... is that a bell in the distance I hear? Oh no, that's just hypocrisy. |
Vindizzle, be a good old chap and fix that sign in your signature, if you don't mind. It says "Champions" when it should say "Champion".
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Originally Posted by Myrmydon
Vindizzle, be a good old chap and fix that sign in your signature, if you don't mind. It says "Champions" when it should say "Champion".
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Originally Posted by Shaytanah
Well, a lot of the players have been PvP'ing for quite a while. Yes, alot of players are new to PvP. But if we follow the old road of extreme elites dominating then no one new wants to keep PvPing.
Personally I don't care about skill levels, who wins, who loses, who is leet. I care about having a blast with a bunch of cool people, getting the adrenaline pumping, and having a massive, sh*t-eating grin when I log for the night. This PvP league has, so far, accomplished all of that for me. This makes it win and nothing less. Quote:
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
You specifically highlighted the entirety of Shay's post when you quoted it, illustrating that you were attempting to avoid "elite pvpers" coming back to dominate. If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't have highlighted it. I'm simply responding to that in kind.
I'm also referencing the fact that another team with a completely full & ready roster has been denied access to play in the league, with no plausible reason given as to why they cannot be allowed access, when entry into the league would help foster further competition and increase the league's numbers. This alone, in an environment where PvP has been steadily dying issue after issue, can be seen as a good thing. |
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Originally Posted by Phillygirl
A reason was given there was a deadline for sign ups for teams of 8 and you missed it. IQ (who is on a team already so) was told they would add you guys to free agents list so that one of the struggling teams could get help. He posted that if you couldn't join as a team of 8 you weren't interested. So no you weren't denied play in the league.
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Have officials taken place yet? Have rankings been established?
If your league official has that much of a headache navigating the organization of teams prior to officials starting that an entirely new roster full of players cannot be added, it seems like the rumors I'm hearing about the league falling apart aren't far from the truth. Whether or not IQ is on a team really doesn't matter. You can cut the attitude, cutiepie. It doesn't look good on you. |
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Originally Posted by Phillygirl
No attitude just facts. You said no reason was given and there was one given. You said you where denied access to playing in the league, and you weren't you just didn't want to play unless it was together.
I personally could have cared less if they allowed you guys to join I don't think it would have hurt things since there is a massive imbalance in the skill levels of the teams. You would have given artic and libs team some competition. |
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Fair enough. However, we were denied entry as a team, so that point still stands.
Outside of a roster date lock, IQ (speaking on my behalf since myself nor Silit haven't been given access to the proper CAPE forums) was pushing to see why another team couldn't join. There's really nothing saying that we can't outside of an invisible lock that can easily be bent due to officials not having started yet. I believe Lib already said that he had no problem with another team stepping in. |
Sigh ups were there for a month. If you guys cant get your stuff together and join in a timely manner, thats on you, not any of us. Everyone else, including the list of 40+ free agents followed the rules. There is no reason you should be above them.
Considering you say youre from THIS server and there had been more than adequate advertising of this league, there REALLY is no excuse that you couldnt pull it together on time.
RE: Cape forums.
This is posted in the main cape area :
There are several areas in the forums that are based on membership participation..
Currently, the PvP sections are closed to those members that arent currently in this seasons league.
PvP forums will re-open once this season is over and we're ready to launch the next .
EVERYONE had access to all areas (except admins) up till the point that sign ups ended. At that time those that hadnt signed up for the league had their permissions lowerd... in an effort to minimize outside disruption.
There are in fact posts made by Silit in the pvp area while sign ups were still happening.
