THE LEAGUE: Season 1

No applicant to the C.A.P.E. Guild Portal has been denied access.

The answer is simple, he never applied.

Yeah, normally I don't let individuals with downs syndrome speak for me. It was a necessary evil this time around.

@Vince

I just came back to the game not that long ago.

Telling me that I had a month and that I should have "had my **** together" isn't a good enough reason to bar more competition from entering your league and increasing your numbers. If the entire point is to generate interest in PvP and create a successful league, wouldn't adding an additional team of new players do just that?

Have any of the current teams made the arguement that allowing a new team to enter would be some sign of "favoritism"? Or are you just making this:

up because you don't have a good enough excuse?

This has nothing to do with being "over" anyone, and I'm pretty sure you're the only person that's remotely close to making an arguement of that nature.

And what do you consider "adequate" advertising?

The Freedom league received advertising when players started up City of Heroes, and we still re-opened rosters halfway through the season in order to let more players in.

@Vince

Silit and I would have to apply through Guildportal in order to be given any sort of access. I wouldn't say that we weren't given access if we didn't apply.

I did not receive access to any forum involving the PvP league.

Your simple answer was wrong. Whoops.

@Vince

Heh Barrier is back too this just reminded me of him.

No, Sir...

You are wrong.

Had you applied to the site you would be able to see the PVP forums up until Cherry changed the permissions of the PVP section.

As I said, you never applied.

We have never denied anyone access to the site, only thing we have done is change permissions so those that were interested in only PVE activities would not be bothered with the posts from the PVP section.

Sorry, you seem to feel so hurt and upset about this.

Welcome! App Submitted to C.A.P.E.

Is sitting in my inbox on Guildportal. But I never applied.

Okay. You're still wrong.

@Vince

I'm trying to be reasonable about this with you here.

What name did you apply to the GP under and what date?

Being reasonable isn't sitting there blatantly telling me I'm wrong and that I did not apply when I'm telling you without a shadow of a doubt that I did, and did not receive access to the PvP forums where I could continue discussion regarding a new team entering the league.

It was a simple statement that was made to Phillygirl, definitely not you. When she pondered as to why I had not received the necessary access, you only answered the question posts later.

So no, definitely not "reasonable".

Bear in mind that I'm not asking for access anymore when everything is being openly discussed here in this forum. And I certainly don't expect for a new team to be allowed entry into the league, despite all signs pointing to the outcome generating more competition, which (in an environment like this) is conducive to the continuation of competitive PvP in this game (which is one of this league's goals).

I was simply stating a fact, and you were simply butting in, erroneously might I add.

@Vince

Regardless alot more resubbed when the summer started and sign ups had closed. Being so restrictive will only hurt the league in the long run.

+1

@Vince

Allowing an entirely seperate team to join generates more competition then dispersing players amidst already existing teams.

There is no difference between allowing them to seperate and join different teams and allowing those same players to join as an entirely new team. Especially since you have not begun to do official matches yet for ranking.

Therefore, you are being restrictive.

@Vince

Ah, that clarifies things. I thought you were just channeling ELF-STALKER for a sec.

Carry one.

Actually, I believe the fear is that there are enough "stacked teams" in the league already, so adding in another one isn't desireable.



With this league being a continuation of the boot camp we had, I would have thought that teams made up of half and half vets to new people would have been a much better option, but it didn't turn out that way. Ah well.

Shay's feelings seem to be felt by my team as well, actually.

This is a lesson learned unfortunately too late. Actually, we knew it after it was posted but.. it was already posted so we continued on.

Lessons still being learned as we go. Everyone for the most part is patient and appreciates what we're all trying to do. The next league (Sign ups for that start mid august) will be limited to 4 ready-made players and to draft from there...

anyways. this subjects been beat to death.

glhf.

My understanding is that the "heyday" you mention on test ended with I13, which is the system we are using now. Comparing the two feels akin to comparing our characters Post-I5/I6 to the ones we had Pre-I5/I6.



What else should it be?

From what I have seen, this is definitely the case.






Looking forward to that one. When starting out in this type of thing, four is a lot easier to gather than 8 for the new people.

The irony behind this post is sadly two fold. First with stacked teams, everyone but ours and Spynes team has 4-6 people I'd consider Veteran in the sense of experience. Spyne doesn't have them, and we have more. That being said Artic with his 5 ish vets played to an 8 - 8 draw against us last night and managed to win their other 3 matches.

The second part was, the way the draft went down, allowing the teams to be as they are today. There were people, who if picked for their ability and experience would have helped to balance things out even further, but instead they were passed over in the first two rounds for friends (which there is nothing wrong with, if you aren't looking to be competitive) and allowed to go to the teams looking to strengthen their roster even further in the 3rd and 4th round.

As a second separate point, I'm pretty sure you can ask anyone on our team which was the most fun match last night and they'd tell you it was against Artic's team because it was the closest match. Boot camp was great for holding hands and teaching everyone the basics, but now that you have teams out there who are throwing together legitimate spikes its time to take a few lumps (like every single one of us has done in the past) and try to learn and better yourselves. This is a learning experience in the sense if you want to competitively PvP you are going to need to play some semi competitive teams.

Rather than looking at how stacked teams might be, see it as an opportunity to challenge yourself to be better.

As a final point, and I'll post this up on CAPE, because this is a learning league if any team has any questions from key set ups, tactics, or just how to play a toon or would like help setting up some practices and drills for their team I'll gladly try to make some time in the evenings to hop over and see if I can't help out. Because like I said, things are fun when they are competitive, not when you are just rolling a team.

Oh, I'm not one of those that cares about the idea of stacked teams and neither does my team (Team Spyne). We're all aware that to competitively PvP, we are going ot need to play vey competitive teams. And we're looking forward to it, truth be told. You don't get better by playing people of your skill level, you get better by reaching beyond that, and those of us that are still here are definitely working toward that.

That's great if we'd known who the people in the draft were. We just found out lately that Jimmay was out there and registered but he had a different global/guildportal handle. IQ registered and said he was on previous test teams but didn't say who he/she was at any point. The only persons I recognized were doyler, Void and a couple others.

The league at this point is almost over after week one because there is an imbalance of vets/newer players that should not have occurred in the first place. What should have happened (for example) is your team should have had 3-4 people you chose then others from the draft, same with Artic's team, same with Cherry's team, etc. etc. It didn't and basically you and Artic are going to keep rolling everyone else, teams are going to drop (Spyne's team is already dropping) and basically just your team and Artic's team will be left week 2 or 3.

Some people thought it was meant to be a hardcore/competitive league, instead of a gradation league.

Dropping? No, we are not. Losing people who can't take it or cannot commit? Yes, there has been quite a bit of that, however, we are working with things to make up the difference.


We don't care if we lose every single match; those of us left just want to play and try to get better at it. We'll never learn anything if everyone gives up.

Ah yes, well, we'll need some playtime before we can go hardcore on our end, but we'll take our lumps to learn.