Still Sexism in costume choices? Really?

I, for one, see a disturbing trend that women got wedding tuxedos but men didn't get Hearts Plus.

Actually, men only get the tux coat out of that pack where women get the tux coat, veil, two bridal tops, bridal skirts, two styles of shoes and three "Plus" style "w/ skin" sets. Kvetching about how terrible it is that we have Excess Plus aside, male characters got all sorts of cheated in the "parity in number of parts" department on that one.

I do believe men got access to the hearts pattern from the Valentine's Event *shudder*

Terrorists win

My position is basically this:

I have no problems with the Devs, or anybody, making gender based decisions. My problem is that every time they do make a gender based decision, it caters to a very particular sexist stereotype (witness the difference in the walk emotes).

I have a separate problem in that they continue to choose to make a gender-based decision almost every time they add some kind of clothing (as opposed to the armors and animal pieces and so forth). As a result, they haven't really been expanding the range of options available to toons (male or female), and have simply been adding in more variations on themes that already have an incredibly strong showing.

I have no problem with them adding in a nice corset piece, and I'll even accept the really odd choice of what looks like a padded bra, because, well, it doesn't hurt me that those pieces exist and more options is always good. But when they add those instead of other things that the playerbase has been clamoring for for years and would be more in theme, I get annoyed.

some people have weird definitions of skimpy, that's all.

Well one thing I can say about female costumes in general is that I find them easier to layer. The newest pieces are really good for that and can be used to make everything from churchlady to Amy Fisher.

Corsets pretty much are the default top to a wedding dress.

I don't know any real life Croatoa style witches though to ask them about it from their angle.

The new waistcoats would have been nice for the ladies, ladies in waistcoats is pretty darn steampunk.

And yes... long coats with shoulders that don't look awful: many of the shoulder pads are shifted oddly on the female rig, the worst offender is the armoured body, I can't use any shoulder-pads with that mesh, they look terrible, the female crab outfit messes up the shoulder positioning as well.

A coat! A coat! My MMO for a coat!

In general, this link. And...

I can't imagine ever living in a time when that stuff would have been fashionable

I don't really happen to think that actual Victorian costume is really a good example of what would be the opposite of sexist.

Anyway, if you want to build something more modest, layer the costume pieces. You don't have to wear them over keyhole lycra. For an imperfect example of it taken to an extreme:



The problem with any outfit like this of course is that dresses aren't long enough, so you are forced into dealing with the length of the leg. This is a more or less unfixable issue due to how the game works. However, any time you give a model pieces that lace all the way up to the neck, I don't see how you can say it's not adding less modesty rather than more.

Short version: coats would still be nice of course but just because a piece is layerable doesn't mean you have to dress like a streetwalker.

Actually, I realised today, the real problem with costumes isn't the sexism, it's the complete lack of regular non-martial arts robes for everyone.
Can't do proper Lich costumes without it! D:


And the lack of Gothic Plate Armour. And Tabards.


And while we're at it I want a Great Knife available as sword choice, please!