Originally Posted by Heavensrun
I believe it is, and judging by the costume items available on test, I'm afraid to say that I'm pretty sure that it's the result of a mod on the part of the person who posted the shot, and doesn't reflect what's actually in the pack. Love to be corrected if I'm wrong.
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Steampunk Booster Costume Ideas
Used pack to make a magical girl. Want this pack so bad right now D:
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
I believe it is, and judging by the costume items available on test, I'm afraid to say that I'm pretty sure that it's the result of a mod on the part of the person who posted the shot, and doesn't reflect what's actually in the pack. Love to be corrected if I'm wrong.
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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If the pack isn't conveying the theme that it's named for, then you may as well call it 'Generic superhero pack 5' or something.
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This booster is not a step in the right direction. Claptrap about how "special" Steampunk is doesn't really excuse that.
Edited to add: We saw this really start with the animal booster last time and a lot of people had complaints about the lack of customization options. Amusingly, no one said "But that's just how wolf heads are so you couldn't change it too much or it wouldn't be a real animal booster" as an excuse. I didn't think much of it at the time because I wasn't very interested in the booster anyway and assumed that the next more "standard" booster would go back to the tradition of very customizable pieces. Seeing that it hasn't doesn't fill me with optimism for the next booster.
I'm not saying this one is terrible, like I said I'd give it a "B", but it could certainly be done better.
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I have two topics to discuss:
1. The above pics:
The top one - guy in white suit with red hair - is William Worthington. His entire shtick is that he's a suave, well-dressed immortal villain who has turned to evil out of sheer boredom. The left-most is his original look, a sort of contemporary business suit that he manages to fight while keeping clean. The second is the Steampunk take on his more elaborate complex gentleman's suit, with the third being its original form he's using now.
The bottom one - butler - is Charles Ludlow, a bred and brainwashed servant who is skilled in combat, technology and cleaning up other people's messes. One of his greatest strengths is to assist his master while remaining in the background. The left-most suit is his classic butler's getup. The middle one is the Victorian take on his "outdoor" suit. The right-most suit is what I got out of a fairly long thread on classic clothing and my take on several suggestions a poster made to me, which is what he has now.
I bring up original, old and new as comparison. In all cases, I see little meaningful improvement to be had with the Victorian jacket vs. the Baron jacket, with the upside that I can use a tie of my choosing with Baron and I don't have to contend with the awful, inappropriate golden seams. Furthermore, neither of the Steampunk facial hairs looked superior on either of those two characters. William needs a more contemporary mop of a beard and Ludlow needs an old man's moustache rather than a Kaiser one.
2. "This is what Steampunk is like"
That is a weak and disingenuous argument. Yes, the pieces are accurate to both Steampunk fiction and Victorian fashion as far as I know, but then the pieces could have contained Starfleet uniforms and they'd have been accurate to Steampunk and Victorian clothes as far as I know. My point is that there's no convincing reason other than cutting corners for these costume pieces to be unable to represent ANYTHING else.
I see no convincing reason why the Victorian jacket has to come with a built-in black tie that I cannot remove, replace or recolour. That alone means I can't use the jacket for William, because the bright red tie is central to his person. Furthermore, he is supposed to have an iconic colour scheme of white clothes, red tie, red hair. Yellow and black do not enter into it, yet I can remove neither the yellow nor the black from the Victorian jacket, and I'm not even counting the buttons.
If the Victorian jacket came without a tie, and that scarf was instead included as a chest detail for the jacket category, then I could have the exact same jacket with the exact same black scarf if I picked that for my chest detail and then picked black for it. As it stands, I'm denied this choice, and for what? So I can have my ties clipping through my other tie that I can't remove?
And then I go back to the brass pieces. If I were allowed to colour these myself, then I could pick brass, or I could NOT pick brass, but the choice would be mine. I could have a brass boiler, I could have a wrought iron boiler, I could have a steel boiler, I could have it covered in copper patina, something which should be just as natural to a Steampunk theme. But I can't. I can only pick from a colour in the dirt spectrum, because the base texture for the thing is brown with a little more brown on the side.
We've had costume sets added before that don't really work well with other costume pieces, but we've never before had one that aggressively interfered with other pieces by clashing in terms of colour and clipping with them. This is a "Steampunk AND NOTHING MORE!!!" booster, and it really didn't have to be one.
Look at the Praetorian Clockwork chest piece. Everybody's using this for a whole wide range of purposes beyond aping the clockwork and indeed beyond representing robotic or even Tech characters. It's because it works so well with so many other pieces. The female Victorian pieces somewhat do, but the male ones are total fail in terms of character customization. What men get is one step removed from a Halloween costume code.
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Holy crap..............
How in the living name of whoever did this turn into a DEBATE topic. This was SUPPOSED to be for people to SHOW OFF THEIR IDEAS!!!!!! If you're not happy about it then discuss it in the News and Anouncements DISCUSSION thread. I have noticed that when it comes to standard members posts the dev's don't really look in on them, but in the "official" posts (made by such people as Zwilinger) the dev's do look in on it.
Ok so that's my rant, and I close with this. CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THIS WAS FOR?
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Let it go guys.
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Samuel_Tow: Your avatar is... I think I like it
Playstation 3 - XBox 360 - Wii - PSP
Remember kids, crack is whack!
Samuel_Tow: Your avatar is... I think I like it
It just bothers me that the artist put his or her own artistic vision ahead of customization and gave us pieces with very limited use for no real justifiable reason. It's gotten to the point where I cringe every time I see an orange or brown steampunk costume.
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Personally i can't wait for this pack, i have a real interest in the alternative steampunk era, ever since reading The Difference Engine by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling. Expect costumes when it goes live
can i just ask, without any connotation other than my own curiosity, what colours 'would' you expect a steampunk pack to be?
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I would, for example, expect medieval armor to be steel colored. But if someone has a reason to want it to be bright yellow... why not? And why stop them? Nothing's stopping you in the case of the medieval armor in game but you can't say the same for this pack.
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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can i just ask, without any connotation other than my own curiosity, what colours 'would' you expect a steampunk pack to be?
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The reason I haven't posted more screenshots is just that - I can't think of existing characters I'd want to upgrade or new ones I want to make.
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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well, it's just that wedding dresses, and martial arts and cyborgs can be all different colours, whereas steampunk is very much defined by that brass metal, brown leather look. imo, if it's not a brassy/brown valve and gauge fest, then it's not steampunk, it's just... tech. Just imo
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then don't use the steampunk pack for that character. Same as i wouldn't use the animal head pack if i was making a human character. I'm just saying steampunk is a very definable look, for it to be a steampunk pack it has to look steampunky, to then change it to look like something else, it stops being a steampunk pack. I'm the last person to argue against using costume pieces in every different way, shape or form, but to moan that a steampunk pack is disappointing because it's all steampunky seems a little silly.
then don't use the steampunk pack for that character. Same as i wouldn't use the animal head pack if i was making a human character.
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I'm just saying steampunk is a very definable look, for it to be a steampunk pack it has to look steampunky, to then change it to look like something else, it stops being a steampunk pack. |
This is like saying the eagle head shouldn't be tintable blue because there aren't any blue headed eagles and "blue" isn't a defining eagle head color. And no one should try using the eagle head for anything else because it says "Eagle", darn it and so that's what it is.
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