I agree with this 100%
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Ditto. Only for those who added Going Rogue, of course.
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Originally Posted by MunkiLord
I agree with this 100%
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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... yeah, that's the catch. After all, one of the selling points for GR is side switching (as well as the whole Praetorian thing,) and this would kind of short-circuit that. |
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Ditto. Only for those who added Going Rogue, of course.
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I absolutely agree! I love several of the villain archetypes, but I really prefer the hero environments. Being able to roll up any sort on either side would be great. Praetoria is nice and all, but the storyline gets pretty repetitive after playing it so many times.
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Originally Posted by MunkiLord
I agree with this 100%
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I would like this.
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I'm hoping to get this one day as well.
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sign me up.. I hate starting in Praetoria.
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So don't. Burn through 20 levels, do your tips and swap. Easy! (yeah, I know.) |
Originally Posted by Airhammer
sign me up.. I hate starting in Praetoria.
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See, that's the thing I think is the snag in the suggestion - they've gone through the trouble of implementing the system, I don't think they'd want to trivialize it by just saying "OK, here, start whatever, wherever," and just leaving side switching as a feature for Epics.
I don't think we'd see anything like this before they make GR part of the base package - if they ever do do that.
I'm a fan of this. Side Switching should be a system for having a character switch sides, not for a crutch to start a character who never had any reason to be anything but the alignment I wanted for him all along. Side Switching is for a hero falling from grace and turning into a villain or a villain discovering his morality and turning into a hero. To my eyes, it makes no sense to start a hero as a villain just because I want his meta-game AT on the hero-side, even though the character's concept does not include any of that.
And I can live with this being Going Rogue exclusive.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Last summer Ghost Falcon was adamant that this would never happen. However, I reminded him of the dozen or so things they said would "never happen" so don't lose hope folks.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Last summer Ghost Falcon was adamant that this would never happen. However, I reminded him of the dozen or so things they said would "never happen" so don't lose hope folks.
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/bets power customization (not enough people when that was said to do so in a realistic time) and the market merge (system suddenly got too complex with three currencies/markets and the way they were "going" to do it) were on that list.
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Real Numbers - Statesman told me point blank this would never happen|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
And just what was this list, how many of them were actually "never happen," and what were the reasons behind them?
/bets power customization (not enough people when that was said to do so in a realistic time) and the market merge (system suddenly got too complex with three currencies/markets and the way they were "going" to do it) were on that list. |
MoG getting fixed - Positron mocked me for even asking.
Market merge
PPP respecs - Not that they were very adamant about it
That's what I can think of off hand, if I gave it a bit I could think of more.
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I am generally in favor of this suggestion, but I don't see it happening any time soon, if ever. If this ever gets implemented, Praetoria will become a ghost town. Unless they first add new zones and a level 20-50 storyline to that world.
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Indeed, the developers would have better motivation by selling it as new expansion that allowed all archetypes for both red- and blue-side. Perhaps call it something like, "Uneasy Alliance," or such.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
they've gone through the trouble of implementing the system, I don't think they'd want to trivialize it by just saying "OK, here, start whatever, wherever," and just leaving side switching as a feature for Epics.
I don't think we'd see anything like this before they make GR part of the base package - if they ever do do that. |
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If Praetoria would be a ghost town unless people are FORCED to start there under certain conditions, then the expansion has officially failed at its primary stated economic purpose - to entice new players to a game with very low turnover. The idea of Praetoria was to offer a new, BETTER low-level experience, so if people are so appalled at Praetoria and so resistant to playing this content without being forced, then there's a fundamental design that strongarming people isn't going to solve.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
I am generally in favor of this suggestion, but I don't see it happening any time soon, if ever. If this ever gets implemented, Praetoria will become a ghost town. Unless they first add new zones and a level 20-50 storyline to that world.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'd rather just see tips mission (and the prae exit mission) start at level 6-10, to preserve flavor, but I like this idea more than the current system
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You mean just like how both hero and villain feel repetitive after doing them so many times. Especially villains.
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Originally Posted by Dark Scholar
I absolutely agree! I love several of the villain archetypes, but I really prefer the hero environments. Being able to roll up any sort on either side would be great. Praetoria is nice and all, but the storyline gets pretty repetitive after playing it so many times.
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The devs never said the market merge or PPP respecs would never happen. They always said they'd like to do them but there were reasons that had to be resolved before they could be implemented.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Real Numbers - Statesman told me point blank this would never happen
MoG getting fixed - Positron mocked me for even asking. Market merge PPP respecs - Not that they were very adamant about it That's what I can think of off hand, if I gave it a bit I could think of more. |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The devs never said the market merge or PPP respecs would never happen. They always said they'd like to do them but there were reasons that had to be resolved before they could be implemented.
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- Posi (I believe) said "We've run the numbers (pre-GR) and don't like the projections for what would happen in a merged market."
- GR announced around the same time, with the suggestion of Vig/Rogue "Gun Runners" swapping sides.
- GR beta-ing. Third currency, third market. Beta players getting a bit irked at the (IIRC) "Well, when you switch sides, you'll still have your money, but you can't access it since it's a different currency."
- GR beta - (speculation) - getting a bit ridiculous with three markets, three currencies, and "what's available/what's not."
- Convenience of merging markets compared to complexity of system and player frustration outweighs projections of "ebilness," decision not to merge markets reversed. (Thinking the gleemail probably weighed in here as well.)
So, while they didn't say it *couldn't* happen beforehand, they said they wouldn't do so because it would make the situation worse. Things changed during development to make it a better idea to implement.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Actually, as far as the market merge, it went somewhat like:
- Posi (I believe) said "We've run the numbers (pre-GR) and don't like the projections for what would happen in a merged market." - GR announced around the same time, with the suggestion of Vig/Rogue "Gun Runners" swapping sides. - GR beta-ing. Third currency, third market. Beta players getting a bit irked at the (IIRC) "Well, when you switch sides, you'll still have your money, but you can't access it since it's a different currency." - GR beta - (speculation) - getting a bit ridiculous with three markets, three currencies, and "what's available/what's not." - Convenience of merging markets compared to complexity of system and player frustration outweighs projections of "ebilness," decision not to merge markets reversed. (Thinking the gleemail probably weighed in here as well.) So, while they didn't say it *couldn't* happen beforehand, they said they wouldn't do so because it would make the situation worse. Things changed during development to make it a better idea to implement. |
Actually I was thinking farther back to when they said that they'd like to merge the markets when the amount of available influence on both sides becomes more equalized. They were using the argument that back then merging the markets would make it impossible for villains to buy many items at the prices heroes were able to spend on them.
Of course once we had the ability to email inf to any faction that argument went out the window.
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Agreed. And it definitely would have to be a part of Going Rogue.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'm a fan of this. Side Switching should be a system for having a character switch sides, not for a crutch to start a character who never had any reason to be anything but the alignment I wanted for him all along. Side Switching is for a hero falling from grace and turning into a villain or a villain discovering his morality and turning into a hero. To my eyes, it makes no sense to start a hero as a villain just because I want his meta-game AT on the hero-side, even though the character's concept does not include any of that.
And I can live with this being Going Rogue exclusive. |
Yeah, when it was discovered that Going Rogue wouldn't allow for such a thing right off the bat, I was a bit surprised (a bit, not entirely) and have never liked it.
As Sam said, later on in a different reply (and I agree entirely), if people need to be strong-armed into starting into Praetoria... then that is not a good thing at all.
I am not convinced that people need to be strong-armed into there anyway.
Anyway... What Sam said.
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My point was that the devs often change their minds about things that they formerly said they were against. Whether they actually used the words "never" isn't central to the point so I'll concede it.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Actually I was thinking farther back to when they said that they'd like to merge the markets when the amount of available influence on both sides becomes more equalized. They were using the argument that back then merging the markets would make it impossible for villains to buy many items at the prices heroes were able to spend on them.
Of course once we had the ability to email inf to any faction that argument went out the window. |
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Originally Posted by CommunistPenguin
It would be really nice if we got to do this now. Preatoria is okay and all, but sometimes you wanna start in the old zones.
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Sometimes I go "Great idea for a hero!" and then I realise I'll either have to go through Praetoria or the Isles till 20, and the characters aren't supposed to be Praetorian or so on.
It would be really nice if we got to do this now. Preatoria is okay and all, but sometimes you wanna start in the old zones.
Epic AT's can be exempt from this.
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