Remove 'Participation' from ITrials

I'm not saying spam powers. Mashing one button over and over again doesn't make one more "useful."

Using a broader selection of your powers, constantly, and with purpose. i.e., as a Master Mind, using your secondary to buff your teammates when battle is low and using on your enemies when the battle begins, or as a defender, if everyone is healed, using your secondary to focus on doing damage.

Spam ≠ Participation

So, VoodooGirl /unsigned.
Let her disagree, lol.

If participation is truly required... then no trial should be successful without the members of the league participating... so, no metric should be needed other than success or failure.
No further system is needed.

People have gotten wacky results in extreme tests and no one is entirely sure what is going on with it.
And, quite frankly, I agree 100% with Tech's assessment that all of the potential problems can be policed by the social tools already available.

As for the potential doorsitters of uber friends for max grinding value on multiple accounts...
First off, if the trial can be done so easily, perhaps that should be fixed...
Secondly, so what? The rewards cannot be traded. If people want to get wherever without the "effort" and they have the friends that can carry them on their backs, big deal.

The only problem that creates is a vastly more powerful toon for farming in the normal content.
However, these characters are going to get there eventually anyway. Any Farmer worth their salt is completely capable of going through the trials, participating and pumping out whatever rewards they want.

As for a participation system that does result in improved chances for better rewards within the component table... If such a system exists and they wish to have such a system... Let it be based on the overall League.
The entire League gets the same weighted rolls, but each member gets their own individual roll, so some will get luckier than others from roll to roll.

Just make it clear that it is not about individual competition and make it a League-Wide metric.

Coming out of the box with the oversights and problems that the participation system has come out with is just terrible, in my opinion (within the realm of importance of a video game).
The worst part about it is that I think that the Incarnate Trials were done very well and are a lot of fun!
The only knocks against it are the participation system, too few (you have to start somewhere and more will be coming), lag problems for some users (which, unfortunately is almost inevitable with new game systems and such... Easy for me to say as someone who hasn't had any severe problems, of course).

Take that participation system out back...

So the participation system should be taken out back and shot because it's awarding a few people "10 threads" is the argument, because a vocal few have not been satisfied with the l00t they are receiving at the end of the trial?

I say Vocal Minority because I haven't experienced On Live anyone, on any of the global channels I belong to, any of the leagues I've been to, or during any large scale "event" complaining of the participation system.

Typically at the end of an iTrial run I'm sure I'll hear, "Dang! Another Common Table!"

But I, personally, have yet to hear anyone, at all, complain about the participation system on Live.

from my personal experience with the system, on avg since the last fix patch for the uncommon weights, i have gotten few to no thread tables, pre that patch i actually got a heck of a lot more (on avg 1+ a day)

in the fix patch for the uncommons they must have lowered or changed the "participation" metric that is required

honestly i think what Rylas says is the truth, you cannot use a participation system because "participation" is too loosely defined and can mean literally anything since technically "participation" could mean a flawless attack chain where you never miss a beat or setting a power on auto someone else on follow and walking away for the whole trial

since the game could see both of the above as passing the "participation" metric, it doesnt do ANYTHING to prevent leechers and frustrates legitimate people when they get a thread table which atm is the "no participation/leech" prize

adding in overly complex systems does 2 things:

1. create more bugs
2. not solve the intended problem but create additional problems for everyone else

This is how I run my Trials. Everyone typically walks out with a Very Rare. Period.

For the visually and conceptually impaired, this is a joke.

I would go one step beyond this suggestion and fire (out of a cannon. into the sun) who ever implemented this bologna in the first place. Nothing in this game has made me more depressed than spending time on a trial, killing every thing I can and helping my team out as much as possible, just for the game to tell me I didn't do good enough. It's like the game is saying "Remember all that stuff you did? Well we decided you're a leech. Enjoy your crappy reward."

Honestly, I wouldn't even care if the 10 threads was a possible reward, as long as it was just random. But for it to be what I get when the game says my actions didn't count is a slap in the face and should not be allowed.

/unsigned. I like the system as is. It works well for me.

If the participation mechanic can't measure every single way possible to effectively participate, it is flawed.

If the mechanic is not triggering a higher reward table when imo reputable people in this community are saying they are doing more then the dev stated minimum, it at the very least needs to be looked at.

That the trail opaquely measures and reports to the player that they have not done adequetly enough to receive a better than thread reward table despite them giving their best understandably leaves them frustrated. That they find it unfun is justified.

For players to state that it is working as designed is asinine seeing as we dont actually know how it works. I guess as long as it is working for them, there is no issue.

For the record, I do not share this experience and have received expected ratios of the reward tables. I have never received a thread or VR table.

(It's not necro, it's only two weeks old!)

I have to say /signed too, but I understand the point risen by VoodooGirl. To that, I would simply suggest to keep one threshold (against... 5 currently?), that would be the "No I'm not leeching" threshold, i.e. the first one in the current system. It's the one that automatically gets you 10 threads. Maybe change it a little, I don't know, but keep one threshold just to avoid door sitters.

And if you're above that threshold, it's random for everybody. Once the system determined that "No, you're not leeching", you qualify for every reward.

/signed nuff said.