So What Constitutes "Participation"?

Playing an Empath and playing a Blaster, I notice that damage seems to be the factor that participation is based on. I know there is a lot of talk that the system is "bugged", but is support coming up short in the rewards considered "working as intended"?

The only evidence I have (which is not statistically legit) is that the only Very Rare I have ever gotten is on my sonic support toon.

I wish they'd just do away with 'participation'

People who genuinely try but are getting DC'd are getting put in the same camp as actual leechers....who, in reality, are getting kicked as they should do, and thus getting NO rewards.

We don't need this brain-dead A.I. 'nanny' telling us to play nice, because the players have always managed that themselves. Instead, all it's doing is screwing over the legit players.

Personally? I'd say remove commons from the chance for reward. That way people get the stuff thats actually hard to get, rather than the stuff you can get with contemptuous ease.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

It is damage but on the right targets. I would suggest ss+stealth for your emp and put as much damage as you can on the glowies and the AV's.

They have specifically stated that participation is not based on "damage dealt" in any way.

Also, have you been getting the "10 threads" reward a lot on your empath? Or just commons/uncommons? Because the 10 threads reward is based on "non-participation" and everything else is random... or at least pseud-random based on the league and not the individual... supposedly.

The devs have already stated that once your individual participation and league participation combined reach a certain point you qualify for a reward table. The actual table you receive is based on the random generator. The only other option is for the 10 threads table.

Participation only determines whether you get a component reward or just the 10 threads.

Keep in mind the following post is just baseless speculation, completely untested, and just my thoughts on what MIGHT be going on. If it's wrong, it's wrong. But if it's right, then yay.


My current theory is that it's based (mostly) on effective power activations. When I say effective, I mean stuff that makes a notable difference. So turning toggles on and off constantly wouldn't work, nor would healing targets who are at full HP. However, every time you activate a power (such as to attack an enemy, or heal an ally, or debuff, or buff, or whatever) it counts towards participation. Some actions MAY be weighted more than others, but I couldn't say which would be. It's just a guess that some might be.

Also, as said, I think it's based on power activations, and not number of targets hit. So using AoEs shouldn't have an advantage over single target powers, as long as at least one target is hit.

This may be why some Masterminds are finding it difficult to pass the participation bar. Just setting your pets to aggressive/follow, or telling them to attack a single target (say, the AV) and never switching won't count for much. However, giving constant pet commands (goto, attack target, etc) MAY have an effect. I'm not sure, since this is just a baseless theory that I haven't put to test. But it would, as far as I figure, explain why some MMs are having a hard time while some others aren't. Difference in playstyle.


So, as my theory goes, the key to participation is... to be constantly active in using your powers! Buff your allies as much as you possibly can! Heal whenever you get the chance (assuming it does anything)! Debuff enemies at every opportunity! And of course attack, attack, attack!

"To illustrate this in a different way: team and league contributions for completion of goals found in the trials are an extremely important part of your overall individual participation score."

I was on a team where 3 of us got the 10 thread tables because we were constantly going to the hospital (the league finished everything which is why I was annoyed). It would be better for yourself and your teams if you are capable of completing all the goals.

I can honetly say that damage has nothing to do with participation. I have run 22 trials on my shield/elec tank and he does massive AoE damage and have gotten 20 commons and 2 uncommons....All of these trials ended successfully with no problems and each time I never had to go to hospital but I still get crap for drops no matter what I do in the trials. Bad part is the 2 times I got uncommon I dcd upon entering, so no I would have to say that participation formula is not working as intended. If it is working the way they intend it to then I forsee a lot of people avoiding the trials this really needs to be adressed.

From my experience running serveral different characters through many Incarnate trials, including Damage, Support, and in-between. I have gotten a fairly random distribution of rewards that appear to support the notion that the RNG is working correctly.

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