Praetorian Invasion: War Council ((FAQ + OOC Discussion))


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Nuking the site from orbit was a Corporation suggestion, made by Perplexité. Ellie'd survive the apocalypse because she might as well be invulnerable to harm.

Sorrow's Kiss stepped forwards when Zori suggested someone chair because despite various alignments, everyone shares the same world. And there was no way she was going to let its defence remain in the hands of people who seem so obviously fractious and incapable of communicating sensibly.

Char perspective aside, I had fun. I never expected everyone to be so unconcerned that a Night Widow took the reins. Everything just... fell into place. It was eerie.


 

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Nuking the site from orbit was a Corporation suggestion, made by Perplexité. Ellie'd survive the apocalypse because she might as well be invulnerable to harm.
Invulnerable to harm? Not at all. Able to transform into pure energy that can only be disrupted by quantum array weaponry? Yeah.

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Char perspective aside, I had fun. I never expected everyone to be so unconcerned that a Night Widow took the reins. Everything just... fell into place. It was eerie.
Arachnos are used to a far more militant structure, whereas heroes are generally just folks with powers that want to help... A significant portion of them have never had any kind of training, and certainly no military organisational experience!


Anyway... My first piece of fiction for all this is now ready and posted!


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Nuking the site from orbit was a Corporation suggestion, made by Perplexité.
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Nuking the site from orbit was a Corporation suggestion, made by Perplexité.
Ceci clearly hasn't realised that Alpha's been missing for quite some time, and Reason, Al's personal pet Railcannon project, went offline some time ago. Only one Cammie Flage, aka Rumour, bothered to go investigate

So, only conventional nuking would be an option now. And yes, that'd be bad for business.

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Invulnerable to harm? Not at all. Able to transform into pure energy that can only be disrupted by quantum array weaponry? Yeah.
...So, invulnerable to harm. Because no Q gunners or Voids would be able to get anyhwere near due to nuclear fallout.
She'd go mad all on her own on a dustball with nothing to sleep with, though. Except cockroaches >_>


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Ceci clearly hasn't realised that Alpha's been missing for quite some time, and Reason, Al's personal pet Railcannon project, went offline some time ago. Only one Cammie Flage, aka Rumour, bothered to go investigate

So, only conventional nuking would be an option now. And yes, that'd be bad for business.
That's not what she meant. What Ceci (Perplexite) -did- say was that if destroying cities was all they worried about, they might as well nuke everything from orbit. The sarcasm that was meant got lost in writing, and I couldn't be arsed correcting it XD ICly she just thought they were too dumb for her to explain.


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Sounds about right


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Surely even taking an energy form wouldn't protect some one from a nuclear bomb, we're talking about a blast with more explosive force than a million tons of dynamite. So yeah, surviving it in energy form would have some drawbacks, mainly the one about now having an energy form that's been forcibly dispersed across several miles.


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Let's not ruin the mood with all this talk. None of that stuff is actually important.

What are people wanting as a follow-up after the invasion? In-character BAF/Lamba/other TF runs? If so, how's Saturday May 14th?

And what would be a good explanation for linking in one of these TF's? Call some fudge and pull it off as a retaliatory attack?


 

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What are people wanting as a follow-up after the invasion? In-character BAF/Lamba/other TF runs? If so, how's Saturday May 14th?

And what would be a good explanation for linking in one of these TF's? Call some fudge and pull it off as a retaliatory attack?
IC missions usually take a LOT longer to run than normal, so I don't think ones with timers on them are that appropriate, but YMMV. Plus, for the trials, there's the need for a large number of people... Could be logistically complicated.

Do Apex and Tin Mage TF's have timers? Only done Apex once and TM never, but they at least can be done with a single team... There's also the AE, we might be able to tailor something in there, perhaps?


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I do agree with FFM, the trials are not suitable for a slow IC mission, Apex and Tin could be, but would be hard work to make a good IC setup.

TBH IMHO a post invasion meeting would seem more logical, a chance to compare notes on the IDF, report weaknesses, things needing improvement. Almost an IC VG debriefing, with prepared questions to each group, may be with someone acting as a NPC VG chairperson.


 

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Also, don't forget that hero groups would be pretty unlikely to sanction or take part in retaliatory strikes. Same would apply to any pre-emptive strikes too.

Of course, that wouldn't apply to villain or mercenary groups, but proper hero groups? Unlikely at best!


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The Lady had some concerns (Did not know how much about the wards around the world was common knowledge, so I just kept the Lady in the dark.) about the date of this invasion and how close to the Omega teams insertion to the Rikti world it was.
Other then that she is going to do some continous research on portals and try her best to:
1: Identify the portals when they come
2: Get the word out about them
3: Make certain she has some nice small explosives (Since behind the portal there certainly is a military staging area)
4: Make certain the explosives (most likely of magical origin) was thrown in... and close the door.. I mean portal.

Result, less portals and less Praetorian reenforcements.


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The Lady had some concerns (Did not know how much about the wards around the world was common knowledge, so I just kept the Lady in the dark.) about the date of this invasion and how close to the Omega teams insertion to the Rikti world it was.
Other then that she is going to do some continous research on portals and try her best to:
1: Identify the portals when they come
2: Get the word out about them
3: Make certain she has some nice small explosives (Since behind the portal there certainly is a military staging area)
4: Make certain the explosives (most likely of magical origin) was thrown in... and close the door.. I mean portal.

Result, less portals and less Praetorian reenforcements.
The problem is, I don't think we can. The Devs could spawn IDF into every part of the city on every street corner and there'd be nothing we could do about it than grin and bear it.

That's why I'm sticking with having the Unity Vigil act defensively only. It makes me feel more comfortable, as we have no idea what'll come.


 

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Good point Z for all we know its could be a standard rikti / zombie invasion using new models from the IDF et al range. Wait and see seem to be the only option.


 

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The problem is, I don't think we can. The Devs could spawn IDF into every part of the city on every street corner and there'd be nothing we could do about it than grin and bear it.
To put it less nicely, Lady A, what you're proposing as RP Grandstanding and Universe Godmodding. In reality, your character cannot do this. There is now way that she can affect the number of portals. There is no way she can detonate bombs on the Praetorian side of the portal and stem the tide.

Saying she can and has while others do their best to defeat real invaders is just claiming victory while doing nothing.

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That's why I'm sticking with having the Unity Vigil act defensively only. It makes me feel more comfortable, as we have no idea what'll come.
And it also means that anything the members of the Unity Vigil have done really did stem the tide of invasion, rather than punching massively above their weight.

We were being realistic about what we could do, people. Let's try to stick with being realistic.

(I was also somewhat concerned about the comment about "wards around our world." As far as I'm aware, there are none. The mention of Rikti implies it was the Omega Teams wards, which were around the Rikti home world, not Primal.)


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As I understand it:

The Omega Team created a magical barrier around the Rikti Earth, cutting them off from their forces on Primal Earth. The Rikti tried to get around this from other dimensions, failing until they used the crashed Rikti Ship in the RWZ to break through the barrier and summon reinforcements. There was a plan to destroy the portal by rogue elements of Vanguard I believe, which would have torn the dimensional barriers asunder, and another plan by the Rikti to widen it that would have done similar.

The act of introducing this element of magic to the dimensional barriers has resulted in the flux, that will soon develop to weaken the barriers. This will make dimensional travel much easier for the period when the barriers are weakest, enabling Cole's IDF to create incursions into Primal Earth on a mass scale, with less power than required for the Rift Generators and Portal Corp's Portals, facilitating a full-scale attack.

This means the following then:

There is no one generator launching forces through to Primal Earth (Because why use one big one when you can use multiple small ones, for less power, tactical advantages and ease of logistics?)

Entering a small portal would likely leave you slap bang in the middle of an IDF facility, like the Lambda sector. They're likely to be on guard during the invasion, with a large amount of troops that side.

Depending on the scale of the invasion, stopping one portal may not even be that useful, a mere drop in the pond. And they could likely just reroute the cut off troops to other portals.


 

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I'm at work tonight Eric so won't be able to attend any meetings if planned for today. I will of course be around for a pre-invasion meeting on Wednesday 11th.

After which I will promptly pack my PC away ready for a home move Thursday morning.

A post-invasion debrief sounds good. Would be cool to have an IC TF run at some point though. Never done Apex or TM. Fudge as recon missions maybe?


 

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To put it less nicely, Lady A, what you're proposing as RP Grandstanding and Universe Godmodding. In reality, your character cannot do this. There is now way that she can affect the number of portals. There is no way she can detonate bombs on the Praetorian side of the portal and stem the tide.

Saying she can and has while others do their best to defeat real invaders is just claiming victory while doing nothing.
Operative words: "Try her best."
Portals are a thing she can. Did I say she will succeed? (no) She will endevour to do what needs to be done to close those she can (in her vicinity).
If the heroes only fight defensivly without closing an open portal, the enemy will simply keep pouring in reinforcements. Cutting out supply lines would be a good move, right?

As I understood the lore that was given to us when primal earth combined magical expertise with science of dimension (portal knowledge) it weakened the barriers (I called them wards sorry) around Primal earth. Thus is goes in a cyclus as I understand it and each year around this time 9'th may till 27'th may the barrier is at its weakest. With 27'th the weakest moment.

Now we do not know how big this invasion will be and yes we are limited on what we can do (and what we know the Devs will throw our way).
Had I said that the Lady will automatically be able to do this, then yes it would be godmodding, I however did not. She will most likely end up beating the invaders like the rest of us, but it would be foolish not to at least try to find a way to close portals.

Now if it was possible to shut the portals and there were other heroes around, then after defeating the initial invaders (storywise, not possible ingame) some heroes (or villains) might have a gift or two to throw.. just before the portal closes.

However, we do not know precisely how the Devs will do their invasion.


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The issue is, everyones assuming the portal will remain open.

Remember Rikti Raids? Remember how they port in but don't leave thier portals open?

Yea. Like that. Nothing to throw bombs back through.


 

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Suck it and see, that's my motto!


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The issue is, everyones assuming the portal will remain open.

Remember Rikti Raids? Remember how they port in but don't leave thier portals open?

Yea. Like that. Nothing to throw bombs back through.
uh those are teleport precursors, The portal is the big thing you shut down in the lady grey TF.


 

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Yea, but I somehow doubt there will be a fiant swirly portal effect where the Preates will pour out of.

I expect them to spawn ontop of us Rikti/Zombie style, which means we won't see the portal, which means all the ideas regarding sending things through it won't work.


 

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Oh it would never work in RP or game mechanics and is clearly a "I am teh awesomz" move in hilariously bad fashion. I was just pointing out your grievous and unforgivable error that if you where allowed to maintain would lead only to ruin and lamentation.