Praetorian Invasion: War Council ((FAQ + OOC Discussion))


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The major problem with this is time allowance; from running past community events I've learnt it's best to pick a date and stick solidly to it, to push the initial council back will push the whole plot back and if we aren't careful it leads to cramming a whole lot of RP into a short time rather than letting it brew.

That said I do agree that knowing the date would be iffy. However with the incarnate TFs we've seen an advance party invasion so expecting a bigger push to occur wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility so the Council could meet to discuss the invasion they expect to see hit soon and plan. The issue I'd have with a meeting during the invasions is that a significant chunk of my characters would be out in the field helping at the time, not sitting discussing it.

Whilst the initial post does imply it will just be representatives of major supergroups, that doesn't stop others getting involved. Community meetings in the past have drawn in many people, from larg groups to individuals, but a lonely merc heading in should possibly expect to see more focus given to the leaders of larger groups as that's only fitting IC (but it does give the RP opportunity to make ones point heard amongst the 'bigger dogs')

As for 'other factions' RP, I am happy to help arrange ideas if needed - I can maybe even pencil in another Mercenaries Ball at the start of the invasions, have those of a true mercenary bent offer their services and see if they get hired to help defend the earth or if a sneaky praetorian gets in to use their services to further Cole's plans,

I'm not so fussed if its like that Bunny, a sort of 'What if this happens' meeting, but wouldn't that limit it to just hero side meeting with hero and villain with villain?

I mean its one thing to team up with your enemy when your back is against the wall, but another thing entirely if it's just to discuss 'What if' this or that happens.

The visions thing though, just smacks of the meta-game Doomsayer RP that infected WoW up till Cataclysm launch. It wasn't pretty, lets try to avoid such things here please?


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but wouldn't that limit it to just hero side meeting with hero and villain with villain?
Not necessarily, The Corporation have turned up at heroic plot meetings in the past under the promise of potential pay (though usually the heroes tended to expect help without the pay because 'It's serious this time' so lead to The corp leaving pretty swiftly) so it's open to intrigued mercs if some heroes are worried enough to throw around money/favours to bolster numbers.

Some villains are proactive in things like Vanguard because whilst up to nefarious things they'd like the earth to be the way it is ('Saved the World... for later' syndrome is a biggy here)

And then there are those that would jump on any excuse to meet openly with heroes, get a feel for whats going on blueside to further their personal plans.

That said if the Council flops there's nothing to stop a later hero meet and villain meet for the two (or many more!) sides to plan to protect the earth/exploit the situation seperately.



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Some comments I'd like to make...

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The Priest is among those who've had visions of the Coming Storm.
Sorry, that's metagaming and grandstanding in one go. The whole idea of the war council is a good one, but we shouln't be letting one character take charge of the whole thing like that.

2 alternate suggestions.

1. "Reacting to a warning from the Freedom Phalanx, several organisations, encompassing both heroes and criminals, decided to call a meeting to discuss the imminent threat, and strategies on how to respond to it."

2. "Following the initial waves of attacks from Praetorian forces, several organisations, encompassing both heroes and criminals, have agreed to meet and discuss how to combat this new threat."

The first is a possible way to respond to advance warning from the canon storyline, and isn't metagaming OR grandstanding, the second is a purely reactive response to the invasion (just like how the 2nd Rikti invasion was handled).

Either of this alternative (or variations therein), avoid any kind of metagaming or grandstanding from any one individual.
 
We have no way of knowing what the devs actually have planned for us, so pre-empting the invasion has many inherent pitfalls to it. What we might consider reasonable assumptions may not actually happen at all, making a lot of effort go to waste. Also, we run the risk of taking the RP far off course from the intended canon story line; something I'd rather avoid. There WILL be players who do not want to be involved with any larger RP plot connecting to the canon plot. We should take care not to infringe upon them, so following the canon plot as closeley as we can should be a primary aim.
 
Hopefully, people will use the opportunity to write lots of fiction, in the same way that people did for the Rikti invasion. Given how that thread went, I'm of the opinion that reacting to the events "real time", as if your chars had no advance warning of the mass invasion, allows for some brilliant spontaneous fiction! For that reason, I would kind of prefer a more reactive plotline, than a pro-active one. It worked great before, there's no reason why it can't work great again.
 


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[SIZE=2]Some comments I'd like to make...

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The Priest is among those who've had visions of the Coming Storm.
Sorry, that's metagaming and grandstanding in one go. The whole idea of the war council is a good one, but we shouln't be letting one character take charge of the whole thing like that.
How so? Yalls have no precogs on Union? None at all? Heh, if that's the case, I might just have to revive Seer 666 once the server lists merge. Hee hee hee...that could be fun.

In any case though, he said "among those", not "the one", so there could be any number of people who have some means of knowing - or guessing, whichever way you want to see it.


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Sadly I will be working the time of the meeting BUT...

Dr Mechano will offer his services when the time comes, the Rikti War had the production of stand issue armour to all those heroes that needed it from Big Lunk's company at the time. I'm sure he could whip up something comparable to it should any hero or villain need a battlesuit.

His Necrotech Hospital will also be used to treat any wounded/badly injured villains should they require it and will be on a 'war footing' for the duation of the Praetorian invasion.

This means that regular New You and Dream partner programs will be suspended and the building will be available to be used as a field hospital (mentioned above) and a defensive position (after the attack by Humanity First it has become a veritable fortress).

Though with his genetic cloning tech probably on par if not better than the tech available in Praetoria I imagine it would become a high priority target.


 

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How so? Yalls have no precogs on Union? None at all? Heh, if that's the case, I might just have to revive Seer 666 once the server lists merge. Hee hee hee...that could be fun.

In any case though, he said "among those", not "the one", so there could be any number of people who have some means of knowing - or guessing, whichever way you want to see it.
Precogs? Sure... But this sets his character up as "The man", the most important character of the whole plot, who forsaw the approach of doom and called people together to fight it, and no-one character should be set above anothers in this way, not for worldwide plots. We are all equals, and all deserve equal billing. Anything else NEVER ends well (history proves this!)

Besides, we already have a canon explanation for being forewarned, and don't need any more than that.


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So, we try and find out if there'll be an early warning from the Freedom Phalanx to PC and NPC groups. If so, perhaps Vanguard could organize the calling (they worked with the last war council after all) and if not, they could make the offer for a room for a discussion a couple of days after?

That has the issue of using an NPC group, but it'd fit and work with previous lore.


 

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I agree, moving it to be a Vanguard organised meeting of groups (And individuals, as we don't want to exclude anyone from the plot after all) in one of thier confereance facilties (Fudging the AE here), would make things a lot better.

It puts us all on an even playing field plotwise, that way no ones arguing about whos the figurehead/incharge of organising/has undue influence on the plot.

Plus, this way we get to work independants, and potentially even Kornys idea of Moles into it. So all it takes is a little tweaking and we've got a much more fun for everyone sounding plot, and perhaps pushing the date back a bit as we do seem to be getting some clashes with Satruday.


 

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From Protean + Black Scorpion on the uStream chat:

The Freedom Phalanx will warn organizations beforehand, which will be played out through announcements on the website.

So we can wait, see how those go, and react as needed.


 

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I still like the big get together idea mind, just with the whole by vanguard, we're all on equal footing and we can have unaligned and independants there too.


 

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Once upon a time, many years ago, a heroine known as The Prize gathered a group of heroes together and made a little speech saying that the Council needed to be taught a lesson. She took a group to Striga and they kicked butt.

And from that meeting, the Galaxy Girl meets grew.

I kind of liked the (apparently) improvised nature of that. The whole idea of a 'plot' surrounding this event kind of bothers me. I'll have personal plot based around certain characters, I don't think we need an encompassing plot.


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Is it just me or is it a little squicky to continue to have social meetings on the memorial statue for a dead heroine?

Not been able to attend since some one pointed out just what the Galaxy Girl statue is.


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Is it just me or is it a little squicky to continue to have social meetings on the memorial statue for a dead heroine?

Not been able to attend since some one pointed out just what the Galaxy Girl statue is.
Atlas Statue is a tourist attraction, and that's a memorial for a dead hero.
There's plenty of memorial statues that serve as meeting places for people in real life. Why not in game?

But this is probably an issue for another thread.


 

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Because statues and monumants to people who are dead/died arn't used for social gathering points at all.

I mean, imagine if there were a column in the heart of london dedicated to someone who died that was used as one of the go to spots for meeting up/hanging out there!

I mean, clearly such a thing would never happen.


 

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Thanks for the discussions so far. Like a certain White House report, the original post was hastily put together and any errors within are open to fixing.

Edits to be made:

1. Corporation (@Q. & @Bunny)

2. I propose that this particular meeting involve only supporters of Primal Earth. It is however only a starting point for the plot. Others are encouraged to hold parallel meetings, RP or fiction pieces for the Supporters of Cole, Loyalist Network, In-betweeners and Opportunists alike.

3. I would propose we stick with the Saturday meeting as a starting point. The level of interest so far suggests that enough will be in attendance. I agree with Bunny. I think that also, pushing dates back brings it's own negative connotations and may hurt this momentum that seems to be building. Just my thoughts.

4. 'Praetorian Surge Fiction thread' - Yeah let's do it.

5. I like FFM's second suggestion for explaining the cause of this plot and keeping it synced with the in-game event. Having Vanguard or such organisation leading our meeting is much easier. I did consider that but came across the problem of who gets to play Vanguard? So I thought of reducing the scale of the initial meeting to just Priest reaching out to friends and their allies. I failed to realise this would inadvertently place his voice above the others. My mistake and I apologize. It wasn't intentional, I promise you. (Going with a Vanguard approach, how do we PC's run the meeting; who speaks first and who mediates?)

6. Priest having disturbing 'spider sense' type visions was left vague and badly worded so I'll expand on that. I understand no-one knows what the Coming Storm is. Priest has been out of the loop and what he is seeing (that's prompted him to act) are the initial waves of attacks from Praetorian forces.

If we all agreed with the Vanguard approach, then I'll edit the OP to something like they invite him along to their big War Council of both heroes and villains. This gives me a smaller role and trust me when I say that's very much welcomed. I hope the Vanguard approach works out. My sincerest apologies if the original proposal came across wrongly and as potentially meta-gaming. That's two mistakes already and faith in my ability to carry this project is quickly dwindling. I was just trying to put out to you some rough proposals to work around and improve on. Sorry if they've been utterly crap so far.


 

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Well, considering nearly everyone there is a member of/has worked with Vanguard, there doesn't really need to be a Vangaurd representative at all, the NPCs just directed us to the conferance room and told us to get working on defensive arrangments.

The dissagreemnts and disputesbetween equals here is part of what should make it interesting RP!


 

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5. I like FFM's second suggestion for explaining the cause of this plot and keeping it synced with the in-game event. Having Vanguard or such organisation leading our meeting is much easier. I did consider that but came across the problem of who gets to play Vanguard? So I thought of reducing the scale of the initial meeting to just Priest reaching out to friends and their allies. I failed to realise this would inadvertently place his voice above the others. My mistake and I apologize. It wasn't intentional, I promise you. (Going with a Vanguard approach, how do we PC's run the meeting; who speaks first and who mediates?)
Not sure if this is yalls' cup of tea, but if I were drumming this up for my RP crowd, I'd put together a multi-team Tin Mage run and have this in the Vanguard conference room over an IC global channel. What better way to create a sense of danger than to have your meeting attacked with game elements?

Granted, YMMV. But that's how I'd do it.


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Well we don't know yet if we're having the meeting take palce before the invasion, during the full brunt of streamign Warworks or during a quiet lul when there's no Preat actvity.

Plus using the AE Studio B is a lot easier to get to, to turn up late to and to take characters outside the level range of the SF/TF to.


 

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I kind of liked the (apparently) improvised nature of that. The whole idea of a 'plot' surrounding this event kind of bothers me. I'll have personal plot based around certain characters, I don't think we need an encompassing plot.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Of course, personal plots are what makes the story. This is not exactly one plot or an encompassing plot. The idea is for a bunch of meetings for cross-SG roleplaying and Intelligence exchange as a part of the In-game Event. A basket if you will, for showcasing some SG RP, character RP, mission/patrol RP, fiction, and cross-SG roleplaying caused by the invasion event. Sorry, don't know if I've done a good job of explaining that. :/

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Well, considering nearly everyone there is a member of/has worked with Vanguard, there doesn't really need to be a Vangaurd representative at all, the NPCs just directed us to the conferance room and told us to get working on defensive arrangements.
Ahh, I see. That makes good sense to me.


 

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Other entities will be getting vibes. Nitoichi is an aspect of war and though she doesn't know what she's sensing yet she knows something's coming. She's going to be gone for the duration, however. She has a job to do elsewhere (there will be fiction).

Point is, I suspect Priest won't be the only one getting the feeling that bad things are coming, and that's besides the Phalanx handing out warnings of exactly what's likely to be coming our way.


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As we have now been given the Vanguard pack , is that not a good hook to use Vanguard as the coordinator in this case, a simple backstory of VG being busy with the Rikti, but as the only existing International defence body they are going to act as the comms / liason , just providing map rooms, radio rooms and basic kit to the characters, and coffee and donuts of course. Thus given a nice reason for us all having cute MVAS pets.


 

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Edits so far:

*1 - Corporation SG info fix.

*2 - Non-Primal RP.

*3 - Location fudge!

*4 - Fiction Thread.

*5 - Vanguard meeting.

*6 - Phalanx warnings.


 

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http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/new...n_surge_1.html

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Wednesday, May 11th, 2011 Time: 10am - 1pm Pacific Time (6:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. British Time)
Server: Union
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Friday, May 27th, 2011
Time: 4:00 p.m. - 7:00 p.m. Pacific Time (6:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. Central Time)
Server: Freedom
Please note that as a gesture of appreciation and recognition, a special account wide badge will be given out to everybody taking part in the Freedom Protection effort on Friday, May 27th! So enroll early, whether you're a super-hero or a super-villain, in order to get your just reward!
So it's more one day for Union, than a month as we were thinking.


That changes a lot. Because any fiction we right now for the 3 hours crunch time will have to be changed depending on what we see happening in the attacks.


Also, go to the discussion thread and ask for the badge to be given out each time, meaning everyone has a fair shot at it rather than crashing Freedom on the 27th:


http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...46#post3625146


There's the Discussion topic for it.

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The potential solution is that once the invasion is complete on Freedom, we leave the badge on over the weekend (72 hours). As it stands now, all that anyone has to do is log into Freedom with a level one character on the day of the event to receive the account wide badge. This solution would still allow for adequate stress testing and would give everyone ample time over the weekend to log into Freedom for this badge. Before I can commit to this 100% (i.e.; officially update the post) we need to confirm with production and publishing.


 

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Appears that they've locked or deleted the discussion thread. Guess they didn't expect people to be so angry.


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Appears that they've locked or deleted the discussion thread. Guess they didn't expect people to be so angry.

It's been moved aside for internal discussion tomorrow, then when they figure out what to do they'll restart it.