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Posted on: 2011-04-20 15:32 in Developers' Corner
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Why you guys are arguing about hypotheticals like this, I dunno.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
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Actually, Z just closed the Q&A so the post should be any time now..
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Why you guys are arguing about hypotheticals like this, I dunno.
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Ignorance is fertile grounds for FUD and conspiracy theories.
W/o that info, strange theories and worse will abound.
I am not of the opinion that having the player base spread a multitude of theories and info that are of questionable veracity will necessarily be better than having players "gaming" the game.
But the criteria I used to reach my conclusion about what is better may not be the same criteria that the devs are using to reach theirs.
Before real numbers came out, how long did it take the players to figure out the data?
Atm, it seems to me that the only way to really keep the info secret is to keep people form playing or to change up the system often enough that patterns cannot be discerned.
We will figure it out at some point. It's just a matter of time.
During that time, theories will be told and retold about how things work. The effect of all that theorizing and rumor mongering is not necessarily a good thing.
All imho. Obviously, for some, ymmv.
I'm trying to figure out who MyLexiconIsHugeSon was originally. The posting style reminds me of Frosticus but I'm not certain. Either way, I'm anxiously awaiting his/her/its rebuttal to Arcana.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Nor do I ask anyone to do so. However, I do believe people can and should judge the relative credibility of all forum posters based on past history. Some people grant me higher credibility, some don't. I think if people are judging me by my past statements and record, that's fair either way.
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| I'm just one example of players granting other players a certain degree of credibility in certain areas. There are or were players considered authorities on force fields, on dark armor, on stalkers, on base building, on marketeering, on PvP, on badges. Heck: I never made it into a City of Heroes comic. And I'm pretty sure Iggy sleeps with a copy of Mids running under his pillow. Their opinions on their respective areas of expertise will be generally held in higher regard on those subjects than yours will - or mine. And that's because they earned their credibility in those areas, and you and I have not. The fact that other players respect them more than you and me in those areas is not a bad thing. They are more equal than you because they've done more than you, and proven themselves to the player community more than you. |
| No, I said most of my posts related to the game are non-numbers posts. Its not like its hard to find my posts. Count them yourself. |
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That's a good question. Let me ask the counter-question. Suppose its discovered that all of your participation algorithm "tactics" don't work, and you were personally responsible for at least encouraging people to attempt them, even if you didn't do so singularly. And this causes significant damage to the player community as a result of people hearing your words and being influenced by them. *If* that's true that would be more harm generated in one shot than I could possibly be accused of doing in seven years. What's the remedy for that? I'll tell you what the remedy is for me. That doesn't happen for me. And the reason why is that while I'm perfectly willing to state my wild, unsubstantiated, personally biased opinions on matters that are for pure discussion purposes only, when it comes to something like "what does the participation algorithm in the trials do" I know I'm playing with fire. So I don't say it unless I'm certain. I don't jump to conclusions. I caution people to reserve judgment on matters we don't have enough information about. I don't sensationalize. And I provide as much detail about my observations as possible, so if I *have* made an error someone else might be able to spot it. And because of that, I don't have the problem I mention above, in seven years of posting. Someone might take my opinion as gospel when I myself caution them not to. I can't help that. But I've never told the playerbase I was certain about something that caused them to take detrimental actions for themselves or others, because I take full responsibility for my posts, and I factor in how every word will be interpreted by the community when I post. I sometimes rewrite them several times to ensure I am not misleading people to dangerous places or actions. I exercise restraint when talking about the game, and how players might play the game. Do you? |
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Actually, Z just closed the Q&A so the post should be any time now..
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I'm just one example of players granting other players a certain degree of credibility in certain areas. There are or were players considered authorities on force fields, on dark armor, on stalkers, on base building, on marketeering, on PvP, on badges. Heck: I never made it into a City of Heroes comic. And I'm pretty sure Iggy sleeps with a copy of Mids running under his pillow. Their opinions on their respective areas of expertise will be generally held in higher regard on those subjects than yours will - or mine. And that's because they earned their credibility in those areas, and you and I have not. The fact that other players respect them more than you and me in those areas is not a bad thing. They are more equal than you because they've done more than you, and proven themselves to the player community more than you.
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
This reminds me, sadly the resident Claws Guru BillZBubba is no longer playing.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Yeah, he seems to have quit. Again. I don't know if he's going to return this time or not, he just sort of faded out.
Incidentally, BillZ was also the long-time resident ATI guru. |
BillZ is gone? Day-umn. He was someone who I always took time to read, and thought about what he was saying even if I violently disagreed. Which I guess kinda speaks to what Arcanaville and MyLexiconIsHugeSon have been violently agreeing about. The ultimate compliment to another forum poster really is when their post makes you stop and reconsider your own position carefully.
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Originally Posted by Bladesnow
BillZ is gone? Day-umn. He was someone who I always took time to read, and thought about what he was saying even if I violently disagreed. Which I guess kinda speaks to what Arcanaville and MyLexiconIsHugeSon have been violently agreeing about. The ultimate compliment to another forum poster really is when their post makes you stop and reconsider your own position carefully.
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Originally Posted by Bladesnow
Which I guess kinda speaks to what Arcanaville and MyLexiconIsHugeSon have been violently agreeing about.
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Originally Posted by Bladesnow
violently agreeing
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Originally Posted by Clouded
I'm trying to figure out who MyLexiconIsHugeSon was originally. The posting style reminds me of Frosticus but I'm not certain.
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It's been posted: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=258774
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Originally Posted by MyLexiconIsHugeSon
That's why it boggles my mind that anyone would put you (or anyone else) as the single arbiter of what's right.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
I'm trying to figure out who MyLexiconIsHugeSon was originally. The posting style reminds me of Frosticus but I'm not certain. Either way, I'm anxiously awaiting his/her/its rebuttal to Arcana.
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I just think it's funny that MyLexicon has been bringing up "It's not about you, Arcana" in almost every reply, yet it was he that brought up the discussion in the first place, and has kept it squarely about Arcana since.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't *think* anyone really does that.
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| Its probably safe to say, though, that I'm the Last of the Old School Game Mechanical Gurus that is still posting actively on that subject. When it comes to whether something is working as intended I'm probably the most recognized name - but not the sole tester: testing itself has progressed to the point where with Real Numbers and more sophisticated understanding, there's a large cottage industry of players testing things effectively, which is a good thing. In fact, most good testers today are doing at least a good of a job as I was doing in the days before Real Numbers and mechanical guides. I'm just the last stop on the rail for that sort of thing, when something unexplainable happens, or when conventional testing is inadequate. |
| Whether what's intended is what's *right* is something few people grant me special ability to arbitrate, which is as it should be. That's why I always separate discussions about what something does, and what it should do. I have specific expertise to speak authoritatively on the former, but my opinions on the latter should carry the same weight as any other players does. And they generally do: there's no shortage of people willing to say I'm full of crap when it comes to opinions. And while I will defend my opinions just as vigorously as anyone else, its a healthy sign that I'm not considered the final authority on matters beyond the objective facts I can speak to. |
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
I just think it's funny that MyLexicon has been bringing up "It's not about you, Arcana" in almost every reply, yet it was he that brought up the discussion in the first place, and has kept it squarely about Arcana since.
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Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
There were elements that reminded me of Smurphy.
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Originally Posted by Flux_Vector
You don't have to have been around long or been a highly active forum poster to make a good point.
The point that Arcanaville, despite her intelligence, competence, and past record, should either be hired-slash-headhunted by the dev team, perhaps as a consultant, or else treated with no more seriousness than any other player, isn't a bad one. Not because of anything negative about Arcanaville, but because it's bad public relations on the part of NCSoft/Paragon Studios. It's not an attack on her, her credibility, or her contributions. |
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Originally Posted by MyLexiconIsHugeSon
Sorry but that stance is more absurd. She is human and can make mistakes (see her commentary on pvp numbers). At times she doesn't take into effect the human element, which is fine as a lot of numbers people don't.
The fact that she's a board celebrity (and not entirely unjustified at that) doesn't make her a super-player. It makes her good with numbers. That's a far cry from any justification that elevates any player above us mere peons and frankly, you should be embarassed to espouse that sentiment. |
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I agree that PR is a big key here since it is likely one of the key problems with the system is psychological.
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Originally Posted by Indiramourning
Dear Devs, please add an option that lets me turn OFF the ability to earn Rares and Very Rares on Incarnate Trials. Any reward system that pits the players on a Team/League against each other for rewards changes my teammates from my companions into my competition.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't think taking time to lead or talk seriously hurts your participation.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Every time I take the time to talk or lead seriously, I drop to a common from uncommon. Sorry, proof enough for me.
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