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Originally Posted by Profanation View Post
That is an attack on her credibility, and the poster clearly has a chip on his/her shoulder. For the record, I would prefer that the devs use the limited time they have reading forum posts to prioritize their reading based on established credibility. Arcana has established credibility not only with her prowess with numbers but also with her very sober and straightforward manner of presenting them.
I said that she was human and it's an attack on her credibility? This is exactly what I was addressing, I sincerely appreciate you providing a ready example.

Also, when you said I had a chip on my shoulder are *you* claiming omniscience or are you making the point that your personal observations should be discounted as being factually incorrect.

I only ask because I evidently don't know me as well as you know me.

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Everyone has the right to come on here and post an opinion, but no one has the right to come here and demand that the devs consider every poster's opinions as equal when some posters (myself included) have contributed nothing to the overall knowledge base in the game and others have spent extensive amounts of time crunching the numbers and writing detailed posts to help other players.
I see. What criteria do you wish to propose that makes the cutoff for this?

Please show the math.


 

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Originally Posted by MyLexiconIsHugeSon View Post
Scroll up, I actually didn't bring Arcana up first and subsequent to that, I replied to posts that were also made in reference to her - and that were directed at me.

And since then, Arcana has been addressing me. Should I have ignored her in the interests of satisfying your sense of justice?
No, what you did was take offense that someone would dare trust one player over another (or really, you, when it comes down to it). You've been trying to defend your position ever since by making her out to be someone seeking attention and downplaying her obvious contributions to the game. Sorry if none of the rest of us follow that same train of thought. There are tangible fingerprints in the game of her unsolicited work. Have you contributed anything besides posting in a forum?

Never said you started it originally, just your response when someone else brought up her past accomplishments.


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Originally Posted by Miuramir View Post
My primary objection on rewards remains that the trial seems to be designed to reward people *not* trying their best; I am reluctant to slack off in order to get the more valuable Commons, but other people with less integrity or drive do less and are rewarded more. Fortunately this is fairly easily fixed by manipulating either the exchange rates so that Uncommons convert to Commons at 1:1 or better, or the tables to allow you to pick from the lower levels.
Conversion recipes are going in so that uncommons can be broken down into commons or even changed into other uncommons. This means it will never be to your advantage to "slack off" because in all possible cases higher rewards never have less utility: they always have equal or superior utility, even in the dreaded case of getting nothing but uncommons.


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Originally Posted by MyLexiconIsHugeSon View Post
I said that she was human and it's an attack on her credibility? This is exactly what I was addressing, I sincerely appreciate you providing a ready example.
The main point I objected to was:

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Sorry but that stance is more absurd. She is human and can make mistakes (see her commentary on pvp numbers). At times she doesn't take into effect the human element, which is fine as a lot of numbers people don't.

The fact that she's a board celebrity (and not entirely unjustified at that) doesn't make her a super-player. It makes her good with numbers.
Saying I'm good with numbers is a complement. Saying I'm a "numbers person" and implying that limits my viewpoint or expertise is not a complement. Its an attempt to turn me into a caricature. I wrote one of the first guides to pulling. I helped formulate the standard strategy for the level 50 Hamidon. I used to solo task forces and AVs when it wasn't considered easy. I'm actually to the best of my knowledge the first person to post a "scrapper challenge" thread and the first to post a "earn X from scratch in the markets on the red side" threads. Its not like any of these things are big secrets, so saying I'm just a numbers person, instead of just someone good at numbers, is an attempt to put me into a small box with air holes that other people can ignore.

My numbers posts should not necessarily afford me more credibility in my other endeavors, but they should not afford me less either.

One more thing: I was actually a known quantity on the forums *before* I became known as the numbers maven. Notoriety came first, numbers came second. I guess most of the people who were around to know that have died of old age.


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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash View Post
No, what you did was take offense that someone would dare trust one player over another (or really, you, when it comes down to it).
Not trust, elevate to an unreasonable level.

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You've been trying to defend your position ever since by making her out to be someone seeking attention and downplaying her obvious contributions to the game.
If you're going to try to antagonize me by attributing thoughts and motives that aren't present, then you'll have to try harder. If that is not your intention, then there may be an adult literacy class in your neighborhood.

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Sorry if none of the rest of us follow that same train of thought. There are tangible fingerprints in the game of her unsolicited work. Have you contributed anything besides posting in a forum?
Sure have, thanks for asking.

You?

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Never said you started it originally, just your response when someone else brought up her past accomplishments.
Hmm, that's funny because earlier you said, "I just think it's funny that MyLexicon..., yet it was he that brought up the discussion in the first place,..."

You may want to look in that class sooner, rather than later.


 

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Saying I'm good with numbers is a complement. Saying I'm a "numbers person" and implying that limits my viewpoint or expertise is not a complement. Its an attempt to turn me into a caricature. I wrote one of the first guides to pulling. I helped formulate the standard strategy for the level 50 Hamidon. I used to solo task forces and AVs when it wasn't considered easy. I'm actually to the best of my knowledge the first person to post a "scrapper challenge" thread and the first to post a "earn X from scratch in the markets on the red side" threads. Its not like any of these things are big secrets, so saying I'm just a numbers person, instead of just someone good at numbers, is an attempt to put me into a small box with air holes that other people can ignore.
That is a fair point, pigeonholing is something that shouldn't be encouraged.

All the rest is fine and dandy, but you are not unique in the other accomplishments, in comparative terms. And unless I am misunderstanding you, you are not claiming to be uniquely suited to the role(s) that others attribute to be only filled by you. However, you do often come across with exactly that personae.

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My numbers posts should not necessarily afford me more credibility in my other endeavors, but they should not afford me less either.
No, they should afford you exactly the credibility you deserve. While I personally think that should rightly be more than someone with 2 weeks of forum participation and under a 100 posts, it likewise doesn't afford you the role of sole player arbiter.

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One more thing: I was actually a known quantity on the forums *before* I became known as the numbers maven. Notoriety came first, numbers came second. I guess most of the people who were around to know that have died of old age.
Not necessarily. But history is a fickle thing.


 

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That is a fair point, pigeonholing is something that shouldn't be encouraged.

All the rest is fine and dandy, but you are not unique in the other accomplishments, in comparative terms. And unless I am misunderstanding you, you are not claiming to be uniquely suited to the role(s) that others attribute to be only filled by you. However, you do often come across with exactly that personae.
What's unique about me is that anyone else with a similar resume would be known as a jack of all trades, not a "numbers person." It would be assumed they played the game to death, not studied it in a telescope from a long way away. That's really the main thing I object to.


Actually, there is another unique thing about me. When the players say "X should go take a look at this" most players don't. I tend to foolishly say "ok." That may have more to do with it than anything else.


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Originally Posted by MyLexiconIsHugeSon View Post
I said that she was human and it's an attack on her credibility? This is exactly what I was addressing, I sincerely appreciate you providing a ready example.

Also, when you said I had a chip on my shoulder are *you* claiming omniscience or are you making the point that your personal observations should be discounted as being factually incorrect.

I only ask because I evidently don't know me as well as you know me.



I see. What criteria do you wish to propose that makes the cutoff for this?

Please show the math.

You caught me--I'm actually not omniscient. I just read words, and the ones you wrote were: "That's a far cry from any justification that elevates any player above us mere peons...". That makes you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. So do the rest of your posts, like this one:

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And yet my point stands - unless you have the shiny _ in your name, you should not be elevated above the rest of us by the rest of us.

You say most of your non-numbers stuff is done privately. Ok, fair enough. Who's to say it's to the same quality as your numbers stuff? Who's to say that the devs treat it with the same degree of respect as the numbers stuff? To what degree do they, in fact do so?

Short of you being infallible, which although you skirt the line of claiming, you have never actually claimed, what happens if you and someone else give opposing viewpoints and you're wrong? And yet, your opinion is heeded?

This has nothing to do about you per se, although if you want perceptions about you to be different, you're the only one who can make that happen.

This is more about we and the staff elevating any player above the others.

Should knowledgeable, intelligent players be heard? Without a doubt. Should it come at the expense of everyone else? No.

Truman, commenting on his victory over Dewey said, "Dewey knew more college presidents than taxi drivers, and I knew more taxi drivers than college presidents."



And yet it doesn't mean the mistake isn't yours.

Unless you are actually claiming omniscience?
There you go with the omniscience thing again. Listen, Truman may have known more taxi drivers, but he surely didn't put them in his Cabinet. If the devs solicit opinions from players (and we are not even sure this is the case), I would hope it is only from experienced, knowledgeable, credible people. And, I would hope the devs spend most of their time designing the game, and not spending all day reading these forums to make sure that everyone has an equal say in what happens.

And in terms of me showing a criteria for cutoff and showing the math, I am not going to dictate to the people on this forum what it takes to have credibility. I am not questioning anyone's credibility at this point, except perhaps yours. You are the one who is relentless in chipping away at Arcana's contributions to the knowledge base, and making her seem like she gets more attention than she deserves. And the more you write, the more petty it sounds.


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It's hard for Arcanaville and MyLexiconIsHuge to be both great and humble.

I should know.


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It's hard for Arcanaville and MyLexiconIsHuge to be both great and humble.
I'm afraid that is beyond my meager capabilities. I'm forced to be great, and leave it to others to be humble.


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Sure have, thanks for asking.
Care to enlighten the rest of the class what those contributions might be, or am I to take your word for it? Keep in mind, I'm not the one trying to tear down another player's status by saying "They're no better than me" so it doesn't matter what I've done. I haven't made any claims one way or the other.


The rest of your response is great backpedaling technique. Kudos to you.


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All MyLexiconIsHuge is trying to say is that no player, including Arcanaville, should be elevated to dev status, let alone godhood.

Even Arcanaville, as great and humble-less as she is, agrees.


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Care to enlighten the rest of the class what those contributions might be, or am I to take your word for it? Keep in mind, I'm not the one trying to tear down another player's status by saying "They're no better than me" so it doesn't matter what I've done. I haven't made any claims one way or the other.


The rest of your response is great backpedaling technique. Kudos to you.
Lexi is responsible for more than your average player. More than Arcana? Probably not. Lexi has a right to be heard just like everyone else, and ignored too.

I don't think any player should need to be doing what Arcana does, and asking for her to do the devs' job is a bit much, considering the devs are paid by us to deliver entertainment. Anything Arcana does is unpaid and therefore solely a volunteer effort. As professional as her critique may be, it is still an amateur effort and the players are asking for work from the 'pros'.

Customers are pretty much demanding that the devs hire someone who can do what is requested of Arcana or do it themselves and be more open and transparent with the results.


 

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Customers are pretty much demanding that the devs hire someone who can do what is requested of Arcana or do it themselves and be more open and transparent with the results.
Pretty much this. I'm sorry if this hurts the developer team's feelings, but we wouldn't have this mess if they were forthright in their explanation. While the developers might have revealed some of the workings for the reward tables, it is obvious that everything isn't clear by the simple fact that even Arcana is asking for clarification on points.

Instead we have guesswork, rumors, and conspiracy theories at a time when simple clarity would allow players to tell the developers "this isn't working".




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Something is definitely wrong with the way rewards are being handed out.

I have continually been getting rares/very rares on my brute, while I've only gotten common/uncommons on my corruptor.

The worst part is, I have no idea why. If you're going to have this system, we the players should at least be told how it works. I'm putting in the exact same effort on both toons, and I'm an experienced player so I know how to play each at, yet I'm getting drastically different rewards. The worst part is, I know for a fact the corruptor is contributing more to the team/league, yet gets far worse rewards. So while I don't know how the system works because apparently its a secret, I do know it is broken if the systems goal is to award based on best contribution to the team/league.