A Game of Thrones
I have to confess I have all the episodes stored....and haven't watched one of them yet.
Maybe I'm in a very small minority, but I still haven't felt an incentive to watch this show. I'm sure it's very well written and all, but every time someone describes the basic plot to me, I keep thinking 'well, haven't I seen that in The Tudors, which is real life history and probably just as brutal?' Maybe I'm just over fantasy or have trouble finding positives in the story. I'm not after a 'happily ever after' PG-13 thing, but as I get older as a viewer it seems, the harder I find it to enjoy stories where people demonstrate just how shockingly bad humanity can be. Not knocking the show; maybe someone can give me some reasons to check it out that aren't 'watch it for the scheming and politics'. S. |
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Okay, I didn't read the entire thread, but how many more books of this thing are there going to be after A Dance with Dragons (supposedly coming in July)? I was under the impression that that one was going to wrap up the series, but now that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm not sure I can sustain interest in this thing if it's just another Wheel of Time (author dies before series wraps up) or Aubrey-Maturin (author gets really tired and falls off in quality as series nears end) thing in the making.
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Okay, I didn't read the entire thread, but how many more books of this thing are there going to be after A Dance with Dragons (supposedly coming in July)? I was under the impression that that one was going to wrap up the series, but now that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm not sure I can sustain interest in this thing if it's just another Wheel of Time (author dies before series wraps up) or Aubrey-Maturin (author gets really tired and falls off in quality as series nears end) thing in the making.
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If Wikipedia can be trusted, two more after Dance: The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring.
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Cripes, another ten to fifteen years? I can barely keep everything straight as it is ...
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Cripes, another ten to fifteen years? I can barely keep everything straight as it is ... |
I will hunt Jordan down in the afterlife, however. Writing other, non WoT novels before he was even close to finished....grrrr
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Never read the books but I enjoyed the first series looking forward to the next,someone is going to get their butts kicked when blondie turns up with her pets
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I have watched the show and succeeded to read all 4 books before season ended.
I wan to thanks all people on Ustream chat that said GoT is worth of watching. They wear right!
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..........and finished book 4 tonight. Come on July, 12th!
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Ok, I was talking about it with my sis-in-law and she seems to think Joffery knows or suspects about is uhm, unique parentage. I don't think so. I don't want to know before the fact but was wondering if anyone else got that vibe from just watching the show? Oh, and he does not get killed, maimed, destroyed sometime in the future seasons i will burn it all down!
Ok, I was talking about it with my sis-in-law and she seems to think Joffery knows or suspects about is uhm, unique parentage. I don't think so. I don't want to know before the fact but was wondering if anyone else got that vibe from just watching the show? Oh, and he does not get killed, maimed, destroyed sometime in the future seasons i will burn it all down!
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Ok, I was talking about it with my sis-in-law and she seems to think Joffery knows or suspects about is uhm, unique parentage. I don't think so. I don't want to know before the fact but was wondering if anyone else got that vibe from just watching the show? Oh, and he does not get killed, maimed, destroyed sometime in the future seasons i will burn it all down!
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I should remark that the younger actors (Arya, Sansa, Joffrey, Brann) have all done remarkable jobs for this show. I'm amazed that I could loathe a child character as much as I do Joffrey, but that's certainly in part due to the acting.
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Joffrey Bieber definitely has a good stabbin' coming to him.
I should remark that the younger actors (Arya, Sansa, Joffrey, Brann) have all done remarkable jobs for this show. I'm amazed that I could loathe a child character as much as I do Joffrey, but that's certainly in part due to the acting. |
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Just to let people know I still haven't watched any episodes, and I have the entire first season there waiting to be watched.
I really think I'm just burnt out on fantasy, pseudo-fantasy and political intrigue stories these days. I stopped watching Dexter after the third season because I started wondering why it was I was empathising with a serial killer ('but he's a good serial killer!'). Dexter's a power fantasy in the end, getting away with murder. Everyone's had at least one dark fantasy like that, Dexter just embodies it.
I think Game of Thrones to me is an extension of that; we'd all like to be clever, devious people who come up with clever ways to get rid of our rivals. I admit freely that's just my impression without reading the books or watching the show. It's never gotten my interest enough to watch one episode yet.
That might change, but I feel burnt out on a lot of tv shows because they feel all same-y or don't last long enough to get your interest. I had a friend joke to me that Game of Thrones will just go the way of Rome by getting two seasons and then cancelled because it's too expensive to make or the initial interest dies off. Rome I really got into, but I'd always had an abiding interest in the Roman culture.
I also admit, there was something disincentivising for me in hearing from a friend 'well, what happens is that Martin makes these compelling and interesting characters, and you'll get attached to them...and then they'll die. He'll just kill them.'
I'm not sure what the appeal is in that? Would I want to see characters I like get killed off abruptly? Again, without reading/seeing it, it feels like 'shock storytelling'. Like the story isn't interesting enough in itself, so a sudden shocking death will keep you interested. But again, this is what happens in so much of the tv I can't bring myself to watch anymore. Stargate:Universe was a show I couldn't even watch one episode was because the concept was all 'hey, we're all screwed up in some way and some of us are gonna die, just like in Battlestar Galactica'.
I'm a grownup, I know things don't always end cheerfully or with a happily ever after. I experienced a sudden brutal death in my real life when my mother died after a horrifically short six-month battle with myloid leukemia. And maybe that's the crux for me; stuff like that isn't interesting, it sure isn't entertaining and you'd do anything not to be a part of it. I feel it's hard for me to take interest in how brutally unexpected life can be when it's the last thing you'd want to do. And it feels a bit masochistic, too. But hey, that's just me.
I dunno, maybe someone can engender some interest in the show for me.
S.
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Reason 1: Tyrion. Tyrion is made of awesome.
Reason 2: The Littlefinger and Varys show. The way their interaction is portrayed in the series, they should get a spinoff. It would be like one of those buddy cop comedies. And it would be awesome. I think that last bit in the last episode....my first reaction was "awww, CUTE!" Totally not the point there, but seriously....CUTE. And the Old Bear is so much the "cool old guy" it's almost painful. |
I'm sure they're very interesting characters, but obviously Tyrion being awesome or the others have zero meaning to me. I admit I'm struggling for a hook here, really. It could be that I wind up coming to this series after it's been on like friends of mine did after I'd watched two seasons of Babylon Five and raved on about it and they went 'oh hey, you're right!'
S.
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Just to let people know I still haven't watched any episodes, and I have the entire first season there waiting to be watched.
I really think I'm just burnt out on fantasy, pseudo-fantasy and political intrigue stories these days. I stopped watching Dexter after the third season because I started wondering why it was I was empathising with a serial killer ('but he's a good serial killer!'). Dexter's a power fantasy in the end, getting away with murder. Everyone's had at least one dark fantasy like that, Dexter just embodies it. I think Game of Thrones to me is an extension of that; we'd all like to be clever, devious people who come up with clever ways to get rid of our rivals. I admit freely that's just my impression without reading the books or watching the show. It's never gotten my interest enough to watch one episode yet. That might change, but I feel burnt out on a lot of tv shows because they feel all same-y or don't last long enough to get your interest. I had a friend joke to me that Game of Thrones will just go the way of Rome by getting two seasons and then cancelled because it's too expensive to make or the initial interest dies off. Rome I really got into, but I'd always had an abiding interest in the Roman culture. I also admit, there was something disincentivising for me in hearing from a friend 'well, what happens is that Martin makes these compelling and interesting characters, and you'll get attached to them...and then they'll die. He'll just kill them.' I'm not sure what the appeal is in that? Would I want to see characters I like get killed off abruptly? Again, without reading/seeing it, it feels like 'shock storytelling'. Like the story isn't interesting enough in itself, so a sudden shocking death will keep you interested. But again, this is what happens in so much of the tv I can't bring myself to watch anymore. Stargate:Universe was a show I couldn't even watch one episode was because the concept was all 'hey, we're all screwed up in some way and some of us are gonna die, just like in Battlestar Galactica'. I'm a grownup, I know things don't always end cheerfully or with a happily ever after. I experienced a sudden brutal death in my real life when my mother died after a horrifically short six-month battle with myloid leukemia. And maybe that's the crux for me; stuff like that isn't interesting, it sure isn't entertaining and you'd do anything not to be a part of it. I feel it's hard for me to take interest in how brutally unexpected life can be when it's the last thing you'd want to do. And it feels a bit masochistic, too. But hey, that's just me. I dunno, maybe someone can engender some interest in the show for me. S. |
As for some of your points above:
1) The clever, devious people in A Game of Thrones are not really the ones you root for - they're evil and you hope they get what's coming to them. At least that's my experience.
2) I'm still about 100 pages from the end of the first book, and in the novel, the deaths are not really abrupt, though they may seem that way when you compress 800+ pages into a 10 episode TV series. And the deaths are neither meaningless, nor gratuitous. They serve a purpose to move the story forward and provide motivation for other characters. They are definitely not done for shock value, though that is probably the way a lot of viewers feel about them, because in most movies or TV shows, the good guys always win and the heroes never die.
In Game of Thrones, you never know who is going to win and who is going to die, and that, to me, makes it interesting. In most movies, you can pick out which characters are going to live about 15 minutes in and the rest of the movie is about watching explosions - there's no tension because you know Batman/Indiana Jones/Harry Potter/the virtuous cheerleader played by an A-list actress isn't really in any danger of dying. If that's your cup of tea, that's fine. Different strokes and all that.
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Just to let people know I still haven't watched any episodes, and I have the entire first season there waiting to be watched.
I really think I'm just burnt out on fantasy, pseudo-fantasy and political intrigue stories these days. I stopped watching Dexter after the third season because I started wondering why it was I was empathising with a serial killer ('but he's a good serial killer!'). Dexter's a power fantasy in the end, getting away with murder. Everyone's had at least one dark fantasy like that, Dexter just embodies it. I think Game of Thrones to me is an extension of that; we'd all like to be clever, devious people who come up with clever ways to get rid of our rivals. I admit freely that's just my impression without reading the books or watching the show. It's never gotten my interest enough to watch one episode yet. That might change, but I feel burnt out on a lot of tv shows because they feel all same-y or don't last long enough to get your interest. I had a friend joke to me that Game of Thrones will just go the way of Rome by getting two seasons and then cancelled because it's too expensive to make or the initial interest dies off. Rome I really got into, but I'd always had an abiding interest in the Roman culture. I also admit, there was something disincentivising for me in hearing from a friend 'well, what happens is that Martin makes these compelling and interesting characters, and you'll get attached to them...and then they'll die. He'll just kill them.' I'm not sure what the appeal is in that? Would I want to see characters I like get killed off abruptly? Again, without reading/seeing it, it feels like 'shock storytelling'. Like the story isn't interesting enough in itself, so a sudden shocking death will keep you interested. But again, this is what happens in so much of the tv I can't bring myself to watch anymore. Stargate:Universe was a show I couldn't even watch one episode was because the concept was all 'hey, we're all screwed up in some way and some of us are gonna die, just like in Battlestar Galactica'. I'm a grownup, I know things don't always end cheerfully or with a happily ever after. I experienced a sudden brutal death in my real life when my mother died after a horrifically short six-month battle with myloid leukemia. And maybe that's the crux for me; stuff like that isn't interesting, it sure isn't entertaining and you'd do anything not to be a part of it. I feel it's hard for me to take interest in how brutally unexpected life can be when it's the last thing you'd want to do. And it feels a bit masochistic, too. But hey, that's just me. I dunno, maybe someone can engender some interest in the show for me. S. |
The deaths of central characters in this series doesn't feel like shock storytelling used in place of actual plot. On the contrary, the deaths of those characters seemed the only logical outcome of their actions and the actions and motivations of other characters. The story is driving itself along its natural course - I haven't once felt the hand of the writer pulling the plot away from where the characters are taking it.
I'm not trying to convince you to become interested because, like I say, I understand that feeling and nothing anyone else can say is really going to change it. And aside from that, we all have our own tastes and maybe you wouldn't like it if you did watch it. But it just bugs me when someone comments on the quality of writing and storytelling in something they haven't read/seen.
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Just to let people know I still haven't watched any episodes, and I have the entire first season there waiting to be watched.
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All I ask is that next time you decide to comment on why you don't like it at least attempt to actually watch it (or read it) instead of just guessing why you hate it based on things you've heard.
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Like I said the first time. Watch it, or don't. It's no-one else's place to try and convince you to do anything, and I don't think I even understand why you'd want someone to. Either you're interested enough, or you're not. There's already a metric ton of info about the show out there and the quality of both the writing and the performances. Make a decision, and accept that it's you that made it if it turns out you didn't like it...no "well, that sucked, I'll never listen to those people again!"
Watch it, or don't, like I said, but if you don't, don't bother commenting on what you think the show is like...because that opinion has no meaning, when you get right down to it.
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I'm sure they're very interesting characters, but obviously Tyrion being awesome or the others have zero meaning to me. I admit I'm struggling for a hook here, really. It could be that I wind up coming to this series after it's been on like friends of mine did after I'd watched two seasons of Babylon Five and raved on about it and they went 'oh hey, you're right!'
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And if you have friends who like it then definitely watch it. That way you will save yourself all the grief of them nagging at you for year after year saying "Just watch one episode!!!!".
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And in other news... A Dance With Dragons comes out tomorrow. I have it pre-ordered on Kindle; anyone know if I can download it at 12:01 or something like that? I'm going to read until I get sick.
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