List of an Annoyed Mastermind

Re: Incarnate Trials

1) +4 (+3 with current level shift) enemies that have a heavy focus on Lts and Bosses, nearly all of which focus heavily on AoE damage.

2) Higher accuracy than all other mobs in the game, with abilities and pets that buff accuracy.

3) Broken pet A.I. that makes battle drones run in to punch Warwalker bosses in the kneecaps, often getting one shot killed when said boss falls on them. These are ranged pets. They should stay at range without needing second-in, second-out commanding.

4) Lambda tunnels stage that simply doubles points 1-3 to the point of absolute frustration, effectively neutering my entire primary.

Now, the 5th point may well just be anecdotal or sheer bloody bad luck. But every, and I do mean every reward table Alpha has got on a succesful trial has been Common. Every. Bloody. Time.

I don't want or need commons. Commons I can craft by the boatload with every BAF or Lambda. What I need is the Rare and Very Rare table, so I have some hope in hell of having an even fight against the mobs, who'll still always end up +1 to me. But that at least I could handle.

And now I keep seeing mention of the fact that the 'random' drop table might actually be weighted on 'participation'.
So, if this is in fact true, what the bleeding hell am I doing wrong? I'm attacking and flying and doing everything possible every stage of the way in both trials. Am I not doing enough damage? Do my traps not count? Do my pets, my entire damn primary, even count? I've seen mention that pet damage isn't counted. Any idea if thats true?

Usually I wouldn't mind. RNG is RNG, and I know how fickle it can be. But for every run to be common, without fail? Not even uncommon? And for other people to get Rares and V.Rares on a seemingly consistent basis?

Just what the frag is going on with this? Because I'm fast becoming sick and tired of what ammounts to a giant bird-flip in the face of what was my favourite character.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

i honestly was liking i20 content on my mm, i finally got a massive huge aoe attack to neuter the enemies before my pets even went in

ive always sorta treated my pets as disposable punching bags to absorb aggro for me and do my work for me and such lol

yes yes i know im a seriously evil mm lol


overall though, yes i do agree parts of lambda are biased against pets, but then theres the BAF which is fairly biased to having pets because they are awesome on the escapee phase

i also have to disagree with the reward tables being weighted because ive gotten 2 very rare tables about 6 rare tables, numerous uncommon tables, very few common tables, and only 1 threads reward table

IMO hami raids are prolly worse for pets since they essentially get 1 shot by anything since its unresistable dmg

I may not have the same problems as with your henchmen, but as a Traps/AR Defender, I'm not sure if all that I'm doing is falling under the "participation" bubble. I've done about 35-ish completed trials now. I've seen about a 50/50 split on Common and Uncommon reward tables, 1 Rare table, and 0 Very Rare.


That 1 Rare table I got was when I ended up tanking Marauder for about 20 seconds cause he wiped most of our melee members out with a lag saturated Nova Fist.


If what the Devs have currently makes it so certain powersets and AT's are at a disadvantage due to how rewards are factored, they need to scrap the entire idea, and bring in something better. Because from the heavily biased anecdotal data I've seen, there is a discrepancy.

I got a Very Rare and it annoyed me to no end. I'm not hardcore enough to get two rares to get to T4, and the breakdown (only 40 threads, really...?) is so meager I don't have the heart to break it.

The problem started when they introduced the "rewards based on participation" with the Preatoria Zone Event. I had to do the Ghouls solo to get the badge on my Merc/Dark MM. I had tried 2x before when others were doing it, and no badge option.

I have 4 toons at +3 shift. MM, Blaster, Dom, Brute. On Lambda my Ice/Icy Dom and MM always got crap drops, on BAF they score significanrly higher. I have pulled rares on multiple occasions. My Dom has a Very Rare my MM does not. My AR/Dev Blaster and Stone/Stone Brute did good on both. My Blaster has no Very Rares, but my Brute got 2.

BAF is good for MM's camp a Spawn point and lay waste to the Minions. Lambda sucks for MMs because of the way they set up the acid and gernades.

I have not decided if my next toon to go on the trials will be Bots/Traps MM or Ice/Cold Corr.

I've started collecting data on my Crab vs. Mastermind. I've not got a lot of data yet (only four runs each) but so far... not looking balanced!

I have never gotten a Common or Very Rare reward table. Only Uncommon and Rare.

I would much rather run the risk of an occasional leecher getting a good reward than have to worry about meeting the game's criteria for "participating" in order to get a good reward.

Yeah with the mm I been running aroud with the best I have gotten been uncommon I have lost count of how many times I ran them but I want to say BAF has been at less 3 if not more a day and at less 1 Lamb a day. I main see the 10 threads on the Lamb because of that dang warehouse area spend more time dead than alive there.

After running a ton of these things on an MM today I am pretty firmly convinced that if the rewards are based on participation, then pet damage/orders don't count, despite that being the primary of a mastermind's powers and abilities.

if the reward table IS based on participation, it sounds like it is awarding based on total dmg dealt during the trial if it is not counting pets

it also would make sense since total dmg dealt, or total kills, and either are easy to track, but both could reset upon DC, so if you happen to DC at the end of a trial or get on a team which doesnt participate in a lot of kills, you could be thrown the thread table

i think this type of thing would definitly be nice to have some dev commentary on whether it is truly a random system or based on some form of participation

For what it's worth, so far I have only done the trials on my Mastermind and I have yet to get the ten shards/one super inspiration table. It's usually the Common table with the occasional Uncommon table.

Sooo, I dunno. I'm not much of a numbers/data person but I can't say I've really been screwed over. I just figured the Rare and Very Rare tables are kinda meant to be, you know, rare and very rare.

Uncommon reward table, might be because I kept spamming heal + buff aruas.

Second run- Exact same level of participation, common reward.

Its not based on damage dealt. I've run enough trials to get 2 rares for Lore, Judgement, and Interface on my NRG/NRG blaster and have yet to get an ultra rare reward table. I get Uncommon rewards about 85% of the time, Commons 14% and Rares I've gotten 2-3 times. I've been lucky and gotten some rares I needed from gaining the badges during the runs.

I've blasted the heck out of everything, used my incarante powers every possible time they were recharged, melee attacked, ranged attacked, buffed with pool powers. If its based on participation, then it really needs to be overhauled or replaced completely.

I only have two characters I have run. I don't buy the participation but also don't by the complete RNG either.

Tanker - 4-6 runs (mostly BAF) all tables common except 1 uncommon.

Scrapper - to many to count runs (more Lambda but quite a few BAF) mostly uncommons, 1-2 commons, 1 rare.

If it was RNG I would expect both characters to be like the tanker, mostly commons, some uncommons, maybe a rare, and if you are lucky a very rare. Not so on my scrapper, uncommon almost every time. I have to just take them and break them down to 8 threads, then use them to make commons.

Another thing - they must be joking on the 8-10 thread break down on uncommons. I have done it at least 10+ times and have yet to get anything besides 8 threads.