Multi-group content is not the way.

I've done about 5 full BAF runs today (in about the same amount of time I would've used grinding for Purples and Alignment Merits (or just shooting the breeze here).

1. It was fun... I'd rather tun these Trials than any of the other TF/STFs I've been on on a regular basis and I'd rather get these easily assembled teams (can see the Turnstile and League function trickling down to other content) than continuing to bug hunt for regular PUGs and/or continuing into my 5th year playing primarily solo.

2. The rewards are fast and you can easily find yourself done with the *oh, the agony* Trial grind in a week or less (getting you back to the solo play that you desire above all else). I've managed to upgrade my Interface to T2, slot my T1 Destiny, as well as unlock, slot and upgrade my Judgment to T2 in a span of 4 hours.


There is nothing in the game (outside of the 1-10 game) that would allow me to gain anything significant, as quickly, in solo play as opposed to team play. Team hunting for Purples isn't even this quick, Respec Trials take just as long (longer if you're going for a comparable number of 'Dings') and many regular TFs take twice as long for less reward... I can even give the middle finger to the Market with this setup.

There's absolutely no valid reason to make this kind of content anywhere this easy to a solo player. (Easier, perhaps... but nowhere remotely as easily as it can be obtained on a team) None.


For Pete's Sake, quit whining about every. little. detail. I honestly don't get why some of you can play with all this bile and venom built up inside of yous.

[It's not like you were doing anything better with your 50s anyhow]

After doing these a few times. Well, I have conceded that these trials are AT driven.

These are not niche trials...they are DPS/Tank and Healing jobs.

I stopped finding it a[[ealing when I relized that there is not place for me in these trials.

Im leveling up something else in order to participate, but my much beloved Grav/FF/Psi offers nothing. And though there is nothing wrong with her, I just realize that what makes her special does not occure in a league format.

Sure I can bubble, but they are tissue

Well, I have a mixed reply to this. 1, you can do the BAF with 12 people, successfully I might add. Did one in the early AM and even the team leader was floored when we won. Not so sure that's possible with Lambda.

CoH does need multi team raids, it's the big thing. Every MMO has them and it's about time this game stepped up and got them. I'll withhold my opinion on the Lambda Trial, cause I consider that broken.

But I do think we need to get Incarnate threads from something otherwise of the Lambda and BAF. Maybe from the Apex and Tin Mage Task Forces.... Because it's gonna take some strong motivation to enter a trial (Lambda) that you either pass or fail in the first 30 seconds of a certin part of the trial.

Trust me when I say "These raids are nothing like WoW."

I was in a raiding guild for Wrath of the Lich King and let me tell you, these raids that last maybe an hour tops, have nothing on WoW's raids which can last over 10 hours. WoW's raids might as well be a second job, and I honestly got sick of it. I hear they are even longer now which is why I'm glad I didn't get Cata, but enough about that.

Even though I have failed most of them it's all in good fun and people seem to enjoy the "shinies" you get from just going. Put that back into WoW and you have a whole guild or group at each other's throats for wiping the whole raid.

I personally like it and think it's fun, but that's just me, the more the merrier I say. One thing I hate more than anything is soloing. MMO and soloing never made sense to me, but again that's just me.

I read this, I notice Venture is sounding incredibly sensible, and then I begin to weep.

But seriously folks...
I want to elaborate a little on the answer to the "why quit if the old parts of the game weren't taken away" question.

I pretty much look like it like this: up until Issue 20, the game had a "size". I could look at that, assess that size and say "okay, this is something I have time for, this is something I want to do". Suddenly, with i20 (and i19, too), that size has changed. I take another look, and raise an eyebrow. "Is this really what I want to do?"

When thinking in terms of goals, to use the tired old carrot-and-stick analogy, the Incarnate system extends the stick while correspondingly increasing the size of the carrot. Now, it's certainly a mighty juicy looking carrot. And man, it's really big, too. But I look at the size of the stick and I think that once it passes a certain length, I'm not really playing a game anymore. And so it doesn't matter how impressive the carrot at the end is, I look at the long, uninviting stick and say "eh".

The most common response to this I see tends to be along the lines of "well then...just don't worry about the Incarnate system. Just get to 50 and stop, like you did before". That doesn't really fly for me, either, though. I'm focused on goals. I could stop at 50, sure. But I could also stop at 20, or 32, or 4 for that matter. I play this game to get to the "end", and then I do it again. Now, the "end" can also be assigned arbitrarily, sure. That's where the size and scope of the game come into play.

There's a lot of talk about "endgame content", and how much this game needs it. But to me, content is something I "do". It's not something I "use" or something I "get". There could be no rewards at all to it, just advancement of story, just new things to do with the same old characters, and I'd be quite satisfied with that. It'd be something to do with all those "retired" characters.

In this case, though, I do the two new trials once, maybe twice, and I'm already done with the new content. Any repetition being done is being done for the sake of the rewards. By the time I have those rewards, there's no longer any point to having them. To my mind, for endgame content to exist, progression has to stop. I didn't ever even consider getting Purples before the Incarnate system came out because there was nothing to do once I got them.

I realize I'm on one far end of the spectrum here, but that's how I see it. To sum up, since I've rambled a bit: If I run out of things I want to do, without running out of things I want to have, then the game as a whole becomes too large, too daunting a task. It becomes work, and that's just what I play the game to avoid. I see the biggest picture, and in this case, that's not to my benefit. If I can't start a new character without thinking about how much more that character will have to obtain, then it doesn't matter if that new one can do the same as all the old ones.

...and even my summary has rambled. I think my point has been made, so I'll stop. No, really. Stopping now. Totally stopping. I mean it!

...thanks for reading this long, if anyone did.
No! Stop now! Stoppppp!!!!!