Congratulations Paragon!

Well I dunno, I've gotten plenty of experience and influence and other rewards for completing missions in TFs that I haven't finished.

The raid is just like a TF. There are different stages (missions) where you get Astral Merits (mission completion recipes) even if you don't finish it through until the end.

You go on to talk about the drops from mobs, but you're ignoring all the mission completions in between.

Oh, you can say it as much as you want.

Doesn't mean anyones going to pay it a blind bit of notice.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Fine. I'll rephrase it to what I meant.

You people should stop complaining.

I admit, the sabatoge part of Lambda can get very very confusing, but I find the whole Trial falls into this pattern very nicely-

1) Clear streets around sector
2) Clear courtyard and Sentry Guns
3) Upon entering Sector, defeat Guard EB and wait
4) League Leader reorgamizes teams for sabatoge
5) Teams split and make their runs for Temps as long as they can
6) Once Marauder's arrival TPs you out, reorganize at door, those with Acid head toward gates while remainder of league gathers at Weapons drop point to get a few more temps.
7) Marauder and Entourage (the part that still eludes me...)

Why? Because you say so? That's not a good reason, Dechs, and you should know that.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

No we shouldn't.

Then read the rest of the friggin' quote trial for the friggin' reason.

You should know that.

You know what they say about assuming, correct?

I'm the one who, for instance, LIKED having full strength Voids and Quantums. So don't ASSume that I'm complaining about difficulty. I *liked* taking Trapdoor - who had others complaining about difficulty - down on a g-damn GRAV KIN on SOs.

I DISLIKE the whole "raid for gear to raid for gear" crap. You can't grasp how this is different from "well, you get merits you can use for IOs for Khan, too!" Yeah, well, I can also run Khan perfectly fine on SOs. I don't NEED IOs for Khan. Khan isn't balanced with the idea that you'll end up with an IOd out build. Khan isn't designed with the idea that you'll rerun it over and over and over and over and over and over and over to unlock those IOs, then churn it some MORE to get merits to make it reasonable.

I can run Khan on pretty much any character with *anything* slotted and have an enjoyable time. I don't go into Khan "expecting to fail so I can get stuff to do better next time."

Just looking at my 50s - the only ones who can run this content - I have 24 of them. I have to have a decent (and full, if last night's runs had anything to say about it) team to have a chance at doing anything but failing. I have to run it four times (given the "incarnate XP") to unlock ONE slot, four more for the other, then hope I've managed to "win" at some point to not have to grind *even more* for components - and if I need a level shift, I either have to have more INF on *each* of them than most have for a single uncommon COMPONENT, or hope that maybe a team will succeed to save that. Four times each. Eight times for one tree, then eight times (with different salvage, of course) for the OTHER tree, then if I'm short "threads," grind some more.

And as I've said elsewhere - I'd ignore this, but given the Dev comments ("Hmm, what could be COMING that would have the well worried?") it sounds like I'll need to grind through this nonsense to see the *future* content evolving the game lore.

You don't like me complaining, tough. I don't like where all this is pointing,and I don't like the design. We haven't HAD to grind with an "expect to fail until you get the stuff to do this" mentality before. We haven't had a "Well, once you have THESE IOs you can win" before.

People complained about trapdoor out of being tough - I didn't. I soloed him on SOs. I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT DIFFICULTY. I *am* complaining about the formerly, thankfully missing grind for gear to raid for gear to raid for gear nonsense getting added to this game.

Edit:

Also in a non-Khan fashion - how about "Well, there's a part of the encounter you need to get temp powers you might, MAYBE, get during the mission?" Three acids on the entire team. Since we weren't a full 12 or whatever it was, we had zero stun grenades for Marauder. That's sucktastic game design. "Oh, and fight your way to MAYBE get new ones, too."

But, hey, I shouldn't complain, that's just *wonderful* design. Here, let me hoover up to a dev for it.

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Team full of level shifted Judgment blasts seems to be the intended way.


You know once you've failed it enough times to get level shifted correctly. :-/

Well if you do them to level up that's a different story.

If you do them at 50 mission complete are a joke. And again Astral merits are > than mission complete recipes. For one missions complete recipes are RANDOM. Astral merits are NOT for the BAF. Compelete a stage get an Astral Merit. Period.

Also unless I missed something you MUST be 50 to do these trials. So comparing it what you get from leveling up (which again is a joke at 50) is not an accurate comparison.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Errr pretty sure I wasn't the one that said that. LOL

At ALL levels ? This is a serious question cause I haven't seen any drop yet on anything but 50+. Just checking...

And is also missing the point of a public forum.

There has to be some bleep on the irony meter for "suggesting" (LMAO right ) folks not express their opinions on a public opinion forum.

Not entirely correct. I don't like that it's all complaining on the first day of the trial going live.

I see where you're coming from here, but I just don't see a difference. SO'd characters on well coordinated teams are still be able to complete these raids. They get special bonuses for completing these raids. I don't see a difference between this and any other content.

Well not sure if anyone has TESTED it, but they are SUPPOSED to drop from mobs less than 50 now.

You're stunned? I was expecting this...

Oh, wait, sarcasm detector going crazy!



Lastly...

DOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM!

I get merits and shards from a VARIETY of content...more than I can regurgitate here.

I get these 4 new slots and their components from 2 raids. 2.

You don't see the difference?

Then saying anything about it to you is pointless, as there certainly *are* differences. I mean, practically speaking it's pointless *anyway* since you have as much to do with adjustments and feedback as the fingernail clipper in my drawer, but discussion wise here, it's pointless.

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The fact that this content must be repeated some 10-20 times with no other reasonable alternatives that allow you to achieve the same thing?

They can also FAIL the final part of the raid and STILL get special bonuses. Unlike TFs. Unless you can point me to a recent tf where failing it gave you a notice of the well.

I'm asking people not to voice their opinions until they've had some time to experience the trials and formulate decent opinions from experience.

This requires maturity, though. I guess I am being ridiculous asking for something like this on the internet.

This is flamebait and not welcomed. If this is what you've resort to, then it would be appropriate to you leave the thread rather than baiting a flamewar Dechs.

So does realizing "Hey, some of these people might NOT be seeing this for the first time as of yesterday" and calling the post pointing that out a "non sequitur."

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You do know people have experienced them in the beta right?

"Hey don't complain about eating this bowl of crap, there might be ice cream under all the poo!"