Congratulations Paragon!

Adapt and evolve your build. My suggestion, open a thread in the scrapper section and start building for 59% defense. You can do it!

How many times did you run the trials? Going by 'the first day" is misleading if you ran the trials 15-20 times.

What "Idle threats?"

If I don't like the direction the game takes, and it looks like it's going farther and farther that way, I'll no longer play the game.

I'm not leaving now.

"Idle threats?"

"Dumbing down?"

You mean, making the game, oh, similar to 1-50, not seemingly *requiring* you grind through to get stuff to grind to get stuff to grind so you can grind to get stuff to grind?

Read what you just said there.

That is NOT how I play, and it sure as HELL isn't how I want my character to feel.

"Leach LFT!" is not something I broadcast, and it isn't how I want to feel in the mission. If I did, I'd just find an AE farm and stand by the door, and brag about having 200 50s.
Taser, this post - which shows JUST HOW BADLY you've missed the point - was more a waste of time.

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This is clearly a continuation of my 7-years-long streak of bad luck with drops. I did 3 or 4 runs last night (they kind of run together in a montage of faceplants and disconnects) and I got 2 Astral Merits and 8 Something-Threads. (Is it a bad sign I don't even bother reading **** in the game any more? Bueller? Bueller?) If I could get whatever the components are needed to unlock whatever it is that I'm supposed to unlock in just 3 or 4 runs, I wouldn't have any problems with failing. But from my brief mouse-over peak at what I GOT versus what I NEED, it's going to take me at least ten times that amount of effort. Not to mention that I used the guy with the most Influence (119 million) and I saw at least one thing requires 50 million and another takes 2.5 million. So, 4 component thingies? Bleh.

We get it. We just don't care.

"Progress" is not the issue. There is no "progress". What I actually get out of any City activity is what I get out of, say, streaming eps of Battlestar Galactica off NetFlix, which is mostly what I'm doing with what used to be gaming time these days (it doesn't really stand up well on a second viewing but that's another forum). That is entertainment. The virtual (i.e. fake) shineys aren't important. What matters is whether or the experience (not the XP, the experience) is any fun. Turns out, most people don't find being blasted into minestrone every few seconds to be fun. Go figure. I haven't done these encounters myself -- the entire Issue being sufficiently uninteresting in appearance that I couldn't be bothered to try it in beta -- but seeing as how my main is a KM/SR (actual build) I expect from what's been said here that he will be about as useful to a League running one as if he hadn't joined at all.

To compare and contrast, I still go on mothership raids even though the reward isn't exactly stellar. I've taken the aforementioned Scrapper on one Apex TF and I'm never doing that again with any melee AT, not for Notices, not for anything. It was just a horrible pile of instant deaths. (It didn't help that some idiot managed to color his Rad debuffs to the same color as the insta-death patches.)

So, how many times would you run Lambda/BAF if you didn't get shineys for doing so? Based on what's being said here I suspect for most players the answer is "zero". And that's what you need to know to tell if they're well-designed or not.

Well that really shows a stellar attitude, right here. "I failed once, I'm never trying that again. I don't care to analyze why I failed or try new tactics. I'm going to blame the design and be done with it."

Actually its a realistic attitude. Why in God's name would anyone repeat anything they don't find fun?

That's just . . . strange.

I think it's more..."I died more times in this TF than I have the entire life of my character up until now, and since I find faceplanting that many times in 45 minutes to be extremely irritating, then I refuse to subject myself to that same content again."

Of course, I'm not Venture but that seems to be a more accurate translation.

Or you've gotten NONE. that's how the random roll works.

However in the BAF you get a reward (3 of them which convert into threads) for getting through whether you success or not. No random roll at all. And those are more important that the useless drops you get.

As I said before getting a purple is useless for improving your character if you don't have the other 4-5 of the SAME set. Getting a AM merit or threads or Incarnate xp are GAME CHANGER for unlocking your incarnate abilities. Soooo not the same thing.

WHAT?!!!

Don't you know that games are about suffering?! Screw you if you don't like or find fun certain content, you must suffer, suffer, suffer!!!!









I think I broke the sarcasm meter.

You broke mine too. >

I would hate to play any MMO you design. In fact, I'd hate it so much that I wouldn't stand for it.

Yes, let's make the end game content just like levels 1-50, because as we all know there was a big rush to do Ice Mistral SFs (without being a strike target) or rub Indigo's story arcs before, right? You couldn't swing a dead cat around without being being able to amass a full team to run the Croatoa arcs.

What's that? You couldn't find a full team because most people have already done it once or twice and had no interest in ever doing it again?

So yes, I guess you are right: the devs should have listened to you and made the end game content easily defeated by even the most broken of random teams.

You say you aren't a LFG Leech player, but yet you want the devs to make the game into City of Loot Leeching instead of actually being able a challenge that takes more than a 1-2 failures at.

But I guess you just wouldn't stand for actually having to keep trying at something to defeat it. I'm sure in 2-3 weeks when servers are full of fully slotted players and these trials are cake walks you wouldn't feel like an idiot at all, right?

I've been here before. I've died on that sword before. I complained about the RSF for days even after competing it, protesting that it's too hard or the game required us to cheat to beat it. Turns out it was actually programmed with IO's in mind and when those were released and people used them it turned into just another strike force. I've lead people through that strike force since the buffs were implemented and again with the alpha slot. I realize how wrong I was and I realized how dumb it was for me to rage against a perceived machine that was out to get me.

If you want to repeat my mistake here, by all means. I'll hobble off the sword and you can take your stand on it.

Oh sure, that's a great way to approach it.

I didn't enjoy rock climbing until I figured out I shouldn't slam my head into the wall first every time.

The TF is different from normal content. If you don't have the right approach, you've got no chance at having fun.



EDIT: I understand not wanting to try it again a different way. If you didn't have fun and don't have fun by adapting to challenge, there's some other great games for that. I just think it's a terrible attitude to fail once and blame everything but yourself for why you failed.

I agree with this. If I'm running a toon on a specific TF / Mission / Arc / what-have-you and I'm not enjoying myself (it IS supposed to be a game afterall) I will avoid that TF / Mission (you get the idea) in the future.

If that's reality, then I guess no one ever managed to take down Hamidon.

We did not fail. We won. It simply isn't worth playing a second time, at least not with a melee. I did it again with a Peacebringer, who stayed in Nova form and blasted BM from the air which wasn't too bad, but wasn't very exciting either. To contrast, that team got MoApex in one shot. The prior team was hung up on BM forever.

There's that interesting personal perspective again

So the folks who raided Hamidon and developed that strategy weren't having fun?

I'm going to go on and assume you 100% don't know what you're talking about if you think that. lol

lol and here I assumed you guys failed too.

shame on me.

Actually this makes the point about not doing something again that you'd didn't have fun doing the first time even more to the point. LOL.

But I must say good man you really are a noob. Don't you know that the point of doing anything in this game MUST be uber rewards. What is this stupid FUN you speak of.

SHOCKINGGG!!!!!!!






Okay, now I think I zombified the sarcasm meter.

That's awesome. i got around 54% on my lambda this morning and walked away with 10 threads and was able to craft two items in Pyronic's first ability. And yet we failed, and I didn't give a crap.

By your own failed logic, I guess that the ITF is the most fun task force every put in this game because of how many times it's run.

I'm not assuming, I already know you have absolutely no clue what the playerbase as a whole cares about or finds fun. You and a few others (hi, Venture!) are abusing the empirical "we" and continue to cast YOUR opinions off as the opinions of a mysterious amount of playerbase to try to puff up your own feedback's worth.

To combat your complaints, let me say that some people scoff at your attitude and we all think your feelings against this content are short sighted at best.

oooooooh, I think I hit a nerve.

My point, which you missed, is the idea that telling people who don't find any of the mechanics to raiding "just run it till you have fun" is as silly as saying to folks who hate pvp "just keep trying it, you'll find it fun"

I'm not the one who said that those who developed the strategy to beat Hamidon weren't having fun as they were doing it.

I'm also not the one that thinks if you don't find something fun you should keep doing it.

Masochistic attitudes are not something I like to endulge.

Just for full disclosure I find them fun. Whether I win or lose at them. (Them being the trials). Which has been something I've repeated in many threads: Failing them (unlike TFs) still puts you further on the Incarnate path. Folks shouldn't go into these things trying to "succeed by all means or the sky is falling".


There I bolded that so it sticks this time.

I've done Hamidon twice. I hated it so didn't repeat it, ever. So I don't do things I don't find fun.

I said this a few weeks ago and I'm going to repeat it: the fixed cost for everything in your life is time. You have X amount of time to do something and no matter what you do, you can never get more time. For something that falls under "entertainment," then it needs to be fun or interesting or otherwise engaging. If it is not, then there is no shame in labeling it with the single worst appellation we have: a waste of time.

If that's how people feel about something in the game, then that's their right. If at some point people feel the endgame isn't fulfilling their entertainment needs, then they'll move on.