Issue 20 info is up!
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-03-01 11:34 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Same here! |
Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
*runs through all the garbage in the thread*
*adjusts monocle* I look forward to giving this stuff a go  |
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I liked you better when you had actual information about the game that other people wanted to know. Lately you've been kind of a jerk about... everything.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Oh no! They're not being heard!
How about in the thread the mods started for them and not every single other thread about content or the future of the game? |
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Now who needs glasses. I said above, that I don't like badges, but I don't feel the need to complain when they're added. Just like I don't complain about anything being added just because I don't personally enjoy it.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
You don't like that, you can't see that without being dismissive of *my* preferences, then too bad for you. You're doing nothing but antagonizing people with that attitude - as you turn around and act completely hypocritical by dismissing badges, etc. earlier. Your antagonism doesn't help anyone.
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I'm getting really sick of people acting like I'm the one being unreasonable. I've never said that there shouldn't be solo/small team content. I've never said all content should be for teams. What I have said is that people should realize that sometimes there will be difficult or team based content in the game and that's a good thing IMO.
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| Asking for an alternate path (that's not punitive) is not saying "other people can't have content they might like." |
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It seems then that folks are arguing about nothing if everything you and Bill posted is 100% true about each side. (Like I believe that for a minute.)|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Now who needs glasses. I said above, that I don't like badges, but I don't feel the need to complain when they're added. Just like I don't complain about anything being added just because I don't personally enjoy it.
I'm getting really sick of people acting like I'm the one being unreasonable. I've never said that there shouldn't be solo/small team content. I've never said all content should be for teams. What I have said is that people should realize that sometimes there will be difficult or team based content in the game and that's a good thing IMO. No it's not. But you're ignoring that there have been people who have stated quite clearly that they don't want the devs to add this content at all. |
More realistically BOTH sides of the argument have misrepresented each other greatly.
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You know. Part of that comes from the attitude being expressed on the other side. Sam had the extreme gall to complain that I was making the forums worse for him. When all I've seen from him for MONTHS is how this or that or the other thing is bad for the game. Things that I like a lot.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I liked you better when you had actual information about the game that other people wanted to know. Lately you've been kind of a jerk about... everything.
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When I or Zombie or Arcana or anyone called him on his BS, it was, "Oh why can you let me have an opinion?" He can have his opinion, and we can have ours.
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Don't let us keep you.
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Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
Now I remember why I no longer wanted to be a part of it.
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As I've said the Ignore button is your friend.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
You know. Part of that comes from the attitude being expressed on the other side. Sam had the extreme gall to complain that I was making the forums worse for him. When all I've seen from him for MONTHS is how this or that or the other thing is bad for the game. Things that I like a lot.
When I or Zombie or Arcana or anyone called him on his BS, it was, "Oh why can you let me have an opinion?" He can have his opinion, and we can have ours. |
EDIT: Bottom line if folks like issue 20 fine, if folks think it's imperfect fine. Both have a right to say so. I love Issue 20, but so far with what's been announced/revealed by testers it's faaaar from perfect.
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Scratch that, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume I misunderstood.
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I will not ignore anyone. I will call them on their crap. I've never put anyone on ignore. There's not one poster that I've seen who doesn't have something of value to contribute. |
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
As I've said the Ignore button is your friend.
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I find Samuel Tow's ideas on the issue of the Incarnate content to be ridiculous, but I don't have anything against him as a person. He stated above that I didn't like HIM. That's absurd. I don't even know him. I don't have enough information not to like him. I just object to his ideas.
I fight with a variety of posters all the time, I don't suggest that I'm always right. Hell, most of the time I'm being an unreasonable jerk. But so are they. People can have strong opinions on the boards. There's nothing wrong with that. The only thing that really grates on me is when people feel like they should be able to post whatever they want without opposition on a forum. Forums are for discussion and debate. If you don't want to argue then use the in-game feedback or PM Positron or something. But the forums are about interaction and that's not always going to be positive.
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Not to pop up in the middle of all this heated discussion, but from what the EU people were kind enough to post, it looks like I'll be opting out of the Incarnate system. Or, at the very least, only casually advancing a single character. If future Incarnate abilities are only to be used in raids (as others have said, I havn't seen that myself) then there really isn't a point for a casual like me to have them.
I can see why people are reacting strongly to the announcement and EU Beta test information, but bear in mind.. said beta test is still a closed test. We can't test all of I20 right now, and as others have said, other Overview pages lacked key features to past Issues. The pink elephant in the room would be the lack of mention of the Judgement, Lore, etc etc Incarnate trees. I'd imagine there are other features not being mentioned just yet as well.
That's just my perspective on it, Devs. Still subbing with the hopes of (at the very least) non-Incarnate updates each issue.
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I think it's still far too early to being making assumptions without having experienced the content first-hand, or relying on second-hand information.|
Originally Posted by BasilAcid
Not to pop up in the middle of all this heated discussion, but from what the EU people were kind enough to post, it looks like I'll be opting out of the Incarnate system. Or, at the very least, only casually advancing a single character. If future Incarnate abilities are only to be used in raids (as others have said, I havn't seen that myself) then there really isn't a point for a casual like me to have them.
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For example - Incarnate abilities being limited to raids? You're right that it doesn't seem like there's a point to having these new powers if you can ONLY use them in raids. And from everything we've seen, that is not the case.
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The *level shift* that some of the incarnate powers give will only be valid in the Incarnate trials.|
Originally Posted by BasilAcid
Not to pop up in the middle of all this heated discussion, but from what the EU people were kind enough to post, it looks like I'll be opting out of the Incarnate system. Or, at the very least, only casually advancing a single character. If future Incarnate abilities are only to be used in raids (as others have said, I havn't seen that myself) then there really isn't a point for a casual like me to have them.
I can see why people are reacting strongly to the announcement and EU Beta test information, but bear in mind.. said beta test is still a closed test. We can't test all of I20 right now, and as others have said, other Overview pages lacked key features to past Issues. The pink elephant in the room would be the lack of mention of the Judgement, Lore, etc etc Incarnate trees. I'd imagine there are other features not being mentioned just yet as well. That's just my perspective on it, Devs. Still subbing with the hopes of (at the very least) non-Incarnate updates each issue. |
The actual power itself is still valid.
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Yep, you can use your Praetorian pet anywhere, apparently.|
Originally Posted by vorpal
For example - Incarnate abilities being limited to raids? You're right that it doesn't seem like there's a point to having these new powers if you can ONLY use them in raids. And from everything we've seen, that is not the case.
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Hence paragraph #2! We don't have all the info, but what we have seen, I can more or less say it's safely not for me. And thanks for the clarification, Gangrel. My main will still get to eventually enjoy a fully powered Judgment power after all.
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Originally Posted by vorpal
I think it's still far too early to being making assumptions without having experienced the content first-hand, or relying on second-hand information.
For example - Incarnate abilities being limited to raids? You're right that it doesn't seem like there's a point to having these new powers if you can ONLY use them in raids. And from everything we've seen, that is not the case. |
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Yes, which is I how I think it should be. Being able to essentially run +4 against enemies is a little OP.
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Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
The *level shift* that some of the incarnate powers give will only be valid in the Incarnate trials.
The actual power itself is still valid. |
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Dude, they locked that thread, saying that "crafting Incarnate stuff at ridiculous prices that can only be met if you play on a team" counts as a solo option. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
The Mods gave those of you with this position your own thread to get your feedback and still you piss on every other thread with the same lament. They heard you. What do you want now?
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So no, they did not "hear" us.
And what do I want? For them to hear me, address me, show any indication whatsoever that they give a flying rat's *** about my opinion, or otherwise, GIVE ME MY GORRAM MONEY BACK.
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Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
Fair enough Zombie Man, in fact I agree with you that someone that plays an MMO and expects a lot of solo content is like someone that plays football and expects to never have to handle the ball.
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This.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
More realistically BOTH sides of the argument have misrepresented each other greatly.
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I'm a pretty argumentative guy, and usually if Sam's posted in a thread, there's no need for me to bother as he's usually already said exactly what I was thinking (and often far more nicely) but I just can't seem to get very worked up about this issue (on either side)
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| And what do I want? For them to hear me, address me, show any indication whatsoever that they give a flying rat's *** about my opinion, or otherwise, GIVE ME MY GORRAM MONEY BACK. |
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This was just quoted because it was there and seemed relevant. The following is by no means aimed at EvilGeko.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
When I or Zombie or Arcana or anyone called him on his BS, it was, "Oh why can you let me have an opinion?" He can have his opinion, and we can have ours.
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The problem I find with these discussions is that things spiral out of control way too quickly. Lately it seems to be going something like:
I like this issue.
I'm disappointed with the issue.
Well issues aren't meant to please everyone.
Well I never said it was. Why can't you just let me have my opinion?
You can express yours, and I can express mine.
Well not everybody has to agree with yours, so stop replying and just let me state my opinion!
Well let some of us be happy! Why do you feel the need to keep posting?!
Oh, so now I should stop posting? What about freedom of expression?
YOU KEEP EXPRESSING THE SAME OPINION. I'M TELLING YOU YOU DON'T NEED TO.
STOP HARASSING ME.
WHINER.
FANBOI.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
Once the first two posts are made, the rest really is unnecessary and just get everyone in a bother. Can't we just give it a rest?
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When the majority of the content coming in now is Incarnate content, the perception that this is all being offered now, and possibly in the future, starts to build up. Perception is a lot more potent than reality, and it may make some players pressured to make a tough choice.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Nobody is forced to do this content. The people citing it most often are folks that can't let other people have content they might like because they'll feel "forced" into it.
Instead of just letting people enjoy the trials, we've had to hear for weeks how this is going to hurt CoH. Same BS I heard when Inventions launched. By some of the same people. It's of equal weight. I.e. none. |
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well... +3 for now maximum (depends on the last 5 slots).|
Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Yes, which is I how I think it should be. Being able to essentially run +4 against enemies is a little OP.
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But even so, i did notice quite a few red-conning mobs when playing (the larger stuff was purple though) with a level shift slotted.
Personally quite glad I'm making 1 character an Incarnate.
However the fact that the next set of Incarnate abilities don't require a notice/favour of the well OR Incarnate Shards make the WST a bit pointless now?
Yes I get that people who join after the hubbub has died down for the Incarnate system will need to do the four WSTs to get their very rare Alpha but that's the rub, even breaking down the Notice of the well only nets 6-8 shards, shards which are only really useful in making the Alpha slot or saving up a huge stash to convert to Incarnate Threads to earn XP towards the next slot (3-4% per thread which means you're going to need a heck of a lot of shard to thread converting to unlock the next slot that way). So there is no incentive for already very rare slot unlocked people to run the WSTs ever again.
10 Shards for 6 Threads every 20 hours nets you between 18%-24%, so you're looking at just under 60 Shards to unlock the next one.
So...the WST was really just put in there as a 'something to do because Issue 20 is delayed' tactic just as people mentioned.
Really I get why its now Incarnate Threads...for exactly the same reason that the WST was introduced, so people can't just save up shards and blitz through it...just wish they weren't being so freaking transparent with it though.
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I've been directly told twice by moderators that my opinion was heard but not valued, and the response to the "Soloability of End Game" thread amounted to more or less the same thing. I'm not feeling very charitable any more.
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Originally Posted by Sayer
Don't start asking for your money back. It invalidates any points you may have.
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Notices can still be broken down into a number of shards which can then be used to make new stuff.
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