Issue 20 info is up!

It's not a permanent problem

One possible clue about Tyrant and Rularuu might be Penelope Yin calling Tyrant the "Shadow Lord" - which sounds suitably evil and menacing, but it could also be hinting at Tyrant being the face of something bigger.

Eh... I really don't care about badging. Every issue has them, I just continue to ignore them. I skip past that part of the features. I don't feel the need to write dissertations about why badges are bad for the game. They aren't. As you say people like them.

Sam gets on here with the revisionist history about how he doesn't hate group content when all he does is complain about group content. That's what I'm reacting to.

I suspect that they didn't want word of it getting out if it just wasn't going to work and had to be pulled, instead of dealing with another SSOCS or City Vault.

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The end game system is being put in place, as I stated before, because of the feedback the devs probably received from those who fill out the survey when they unsuscribe (lack of end game content). The dev team probably debated it, and decided that this is an important feature to put in place to round out the game overall to compete with other MMORPG's. Of course, some of those who are existing subscribers may be not happy with this, but it overall generates a healthy game from my view to have more options which allows more greater retention rate.

As of right now I would give I20 a B-/C+ based on what we know, but I could probably bump it up a bit with further information that is discovered.

Incorrect, but hey, you don't, and don't want to get it, so I'm not getting into it.

I'm glad there's some small-team stuff, though. That's more likely to be run (and enjoyed) by me than any raid.

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I give it an A+

My biggest hope now is that at some point Marcus Cole becomes Generic209348 because a fairly major character named Marcus Cole existed in a very well known sci-fi series long before this game was a glimmer in Jack's eye.

And GG is possibly right and the forums implode because of it.

Weren't we at some point told we'd be getting at least two free new costume sets every issue?

Ding ding ding! We have a....I was gonna say "winner" but no, I'd have to say this would be a new low. It can only be followed up by Issue 22: [charactername], Marcus Cole is your father.

Since when can we /jranger posts? Anyways, if I20 is an A+ what was Issue 19? :P

I agree with the decision to include an end-game. I'm one of the people who wanted one. I just don't agree with the decision to follow other games' models for this game's end-game, when those end-game models are so often cited as one reason a lot of people stick with this game.

Were you told off for saying this before? I thought the other way you worded it really popped.

I feel the same way, and let me add that if they follow an end game model too similar like other MMORPG, they are unknowingly forcing themselves to devote more resources competing with those games and to catch up to them. It is the equivalent of that OTHER MMORPG trying to put in character customization as intense as what exists in this game.

The more unique the end game becomes in CoX the better it will be. If CoX end game content mimics these other MMORPG's too much most players would rather participate in MMORPG's that have it far more streamlined already than the Pre-Archaen CoX end game.

No that's exactly what's being asked for. The dismissive tone that's displayed when it comes to these trials tells the tale.

And here's an example.

Nobody is forced to do this content. The people citing it most often are folks that can't let other people have content they might like because they'll feel "forced" into it.

Instead of just letting people enjoy the trials, we've had to hear for weeks how this is going to hurt CoH. Same BS I heard when Inventions launched. By some of the same people. It's of equal weight. I.e. none.

That'll be Issue 22.

I20 - Cole invades the Multiverse and we fight him off.

I21 - Cole is forced to flee our massive counterattack and flees into a portal just as we destroy it, trapping him in the limbo between dimensions for all eternity. (New Hero TF!) Heroes celebrate their mighty victory. Villains don't, but only because they're too busy selflessly saving the Multiverse from Cole's remaining lieutenants. (New Villain SF!)

I22 - Cole, trapped in the limbo between dimensions, manages to harness the power of the Void and shatter limbo, forcing himself back into the Multiverse. However time itself breaks in the attack and Cole, now using the name Rularuu, is freed in the past only to be locked away by the Midnighters. Rularuu/Cole has been biding his time and having seen his past self fail once again he is setting out to finish what he started. You can discover Rularuu/Cole's backstory (New Hero TF!) or fight off the Rularuu invasion and save the Multiverse! (New Villain SF!)


**** me.

I think you need to get glasses, Geko. I'm not "dismissing" the trials. They're there. I'm saying I'm going to enjoy the small team stuff more. Why? Because I will. Because that's the size I'm comfortable with.

You don't like that, you can't see that without being dismissive of *my* preferences, then too bad for you. You're doing nothing but antagonizing people with that attitude - as you turn around and act completely hypocritical by dismissing badges, etc. earlier. Your antagonism doesn't help anyone.

Asking for an alternate path (that's not punitive) is not saying "other people can't have content they might like."

But again, you refuse to get this, so it's not worth trying to explain *once again* to you.

You get your raids. Yay. Good for you.
I get some small team stuff. I have something I can enjoy.
My concerns over the incarnate system (basically just feeding into itself and my reaction to that) have been stated, rather well I think, by Sam, so I'm just going to let that statement sit. And my hope for using it (appropriately) in revisiting the shadow shard has been stated - yes, I know, no pointer to that in any way by the devs, but the idea's been thrown out there. If something like that happens, that makes the incarnate system something more than a closed little sub-world, great. if not, well, the system's not all that appealing to me. I don't get on the raid for gear to raid for gear to raid.... treadmill.

If you enjoy it, hey, go nuts, have fun.

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Well I for one am so glad that you're here to judge the weight of others' posts. Heaven forbid if I had to do that all by myself...

I do have one request to make of you sir.

Please don't forget, the next time you're sitting in a conference room with the City of Heroes Development Team, to make certain that they too are made aware of whose posts' they're supposed to ignore because they aren't weighty enough.

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I love how people on this forum sit around bragging about how great and friendly this community is, while never passing up an opportunity to berate and ridicule those members whose opinions don't match their own.

Truth is - this forum community isn't any better than many of the others that I am and have been a part of, and it's not getting better it's getting worse.

I come back after having been unsubscribed for 5 months to see you guys attacking Samuel_Tow of all people. Yeah. Nice friendly community you've got here. Now I remember why I no longer wanted to be a part of it.

That'll be issue 23: You go into the Shadow Shard, drink the water, and become Marcus Cole!

Because the only person who can ultimately take down Marcus Cole is, of course, Marcus Cole. Or 48 of them, as the case may be.

Agreed. Completely. A raid thread mill is NOT what this game desperately needs. So far the Incarnate System doesn't look like that. So far. But it's awfully close in skimming the edges. Personally I think only having abilities that work only in the Incarnate Trials is dumb design. But I also kinda get why they want to go that way.

Also I need to remind folks that THIS thread ISN'T an official discussion thread about issue 20. There already is one for that. Avatea's had THAT one up for ages.

Go back and see the OP that started this thread.

Put him on ignore and quickly scroll past his posts when they are quoted. I've been doing that for years for folks I want to ignore.

If you can't do that don't come to a public discussion forum.

EDIT: Or if you think his posts are that offensive report him to a mod. But I'd bet money you won't get very far.

The forums aren't just for saying "oh yay everything is great" with COH. They have NEVER been that way, and I don't think the devs would find nothing but praise useful. I think we as a community give them more than enough praise that we're entitled to state when we don't like something.

It was also A+

Issue 19 (including 19.5 in this) B+ as it intro'd/advanced the Incarnate Content forward. I would have given it an A if running lower level content dropping shards had been implemented BEFORE the WST.

GR was an A. Hands down (even with some of the bugs). It gave us more lower level content that many wanted.

Issue 20 looks to be an A-.