I've purposely avoided reading anything on this until the trailer came out. I'm, glad I did because it doesn't look too bad. I like the time period feel of it. Though some things obviously are odd, I will chalk it up to being an alternate reality version for the movie. On the otherhand I would have preferred some more obvious shows of powers. It took me a couple of viewings to see some of the more interesting ones.
One big thing that had me worried was Beast and it's obvious they are going to show him going into his second mutation(the blue fur and feline face in case you didn't know is NOT his original look). I like this because I always liked that in the beginning the X-Men "looked" relatively normal. It wasn't until years later and secondary mutations came along that the obvious mutations were used for the "heroes".
Personally I never had a problem with Nightcrawler's father being Azazel. When they first started showing children of mutants they tended to use the fact that those children had powers similar to both parents. Hence the blue skin and teleporting powers. Even later on in the Exiles one reality's version of Nightcrawler had a daughter who was purple yet teleported. I think it really makes sense here as well considering one of the coolest characters of the X-Men films was Nightcrawler yet because of talent/studio disputes we didn't get him for long. The second X-Men film was my favorite because of Nightcrawler and the breif glimpse of Colossus' powers(that was the second movie right? it's been a awhile since I watched them all).
So all in all I am pleasantly surprised and pleased with this trailer. I didn't read the X-Men: First Class comics so I don't know if this compares or if they just decided the name fit and went with that. Either way I hope this is a good movie with plenty of action and good story.
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Marvel hasn't made any ensemble cast movies. They've only made Iron Man 1 &2, Incredible Hulk, (all basically good) and Cap and Thor (looking good, but we shall see). All the other movies with Marvel characters were licensed out to other studios. Including this nonsensical mismash of characters.
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Originally Posted by Evangel_NA
The only thing this has going for it is visual appeal and the trailer confirms that. You can tell they're pushing visual effects and sexy girls. The trailer is almost a full two minutes long and yet JFK has the most lines...
I think the acting and dialog is going to make this movie painful. And it's not just Fox, outside of X1, Marvel has a hard time with making good ensemble cast movies that are anything more than gimmicky action flicks. That's my biggest worry about Avengers...but that's another discussion lol. My 2 cents at least... |
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Because the screencap of Magneto on IMDB looked like a screencap from the old Captain America films, you know the one where he drove the motorcycle and used the see-through shield as it's windscreen?|
Originally Posted by james_joyce
Wait, why?
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It's just not appealing to me.
I used to love the X-Men and all the associated titles. I collected them from the late 70's to the late 90's, and what I see in the screencap and the trailer doesn't, for lack of a better term, hit my nostalgia button.
I admit, as was said, that movies are their own continuity, but this film screams "blatant exploitation" and not "We love this franchise and want to see it succeed."
Then again, I've been on a Western kick lately, so I'm more stoked for 'Cowboys & Aliens' than I am another lackluster attempt at an X-Men film.
I actually thought it didn't look too bad. At least the effects look to be better than those in Wolverine. Also, while the collection of mutants in this move does seem random, the focus is undoubtedly on Xavier and Magneto, which can spare us a lot of subpar screentime from the filler actors. I wish they had snagged someone more established for Hank McCoy, though.
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Hate to tell you but Marvel has been Executive producing everything since it started. I'm not defending Fox but even on the productions where the rights were sold to the studio, Marvel still produces it - i.e. they still make a large portion of the decisions. Executive producers make or break movies more than people realize and Marvel has dropped the ball on ensemble movies.|
Originally Posted by Furio
Marvel hasn't made any ensemble cast movies. They've only made Iron Man 1 &2, Incredible Hulk, (all basically good) and Cap and Thor (looking good, but we shall see). All the other movies with Marvel characters were licensed out to other studios. Including this nonsensical mismash of characters.
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The new "Marvel"-run movies are still produced by the studios it's just that Marvel now maintains the rights under their own studio as a partnership and has deciding control of production. You'll notice Columbia, Fox, etc still are the production studios behind the new "Marvel"-made movies, the new agreements are for rights management more than anything.
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not to really defend some of the decisions made here, but to be honest, Executive Producers don't really have any power when it comes to the creative process in movies, tv, etc. They're figureheads and generally not the ones who make the big decisions. i need to dig up the articles, but there were more than a few times Quesada and the folks who represent Marvel at these films wished they actually had input when making them.
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Originally Posted by Evangel_NA
Hate to tell you but Marvel has been Executive producing everything since it started. I'm not defending Fox but even on the productions where the rights were sold to the studio, Marvel still produces it - i.e. they still make a large portion of the decisions. Executive producers make or break movies more than people realize and Marvel has dropped the ball on ensemble movies.
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not to really defend some of the decisions made here, but to be honest, Executive Producers don't really have any power when it comes to the creative process in movies, tv, etc. They're figureheads and generally not the ones who make the big decisions. i need to dig up the articles, but there were more than a few times Quesada and the folks who represent Marvel at these films wished they actually had input when making them.
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I mean, McG's a hack and he's an executive producer on Supernatural and Chuck.
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Originally Posted by Veritech
not to really defend some of the decisions made here, but to be honest, Executive Producers don't really have any power when it comes to the creative process in movies, tv, etc. They're figureheads and generally not the ones who make the big decisions. i need to dig up the articles, but there were more than a few times Quesada and the folks who represent Marvel at these films wished they actually had input when making them.
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What I was trying to point out is if you look at the Production credits for pre-"Marvel" movies and post-"Marvel" movies you see the production staff represented by Marvel barely changes. The studios are still largely in charge of creative decisions and a crew of producers is assembled by the studio.
Arad is still an exec producer on all, Feige is still involved as a producer on most, and Marvel can have some say in who the studio chooses and has more approval weight but in the end production is still done primarily by the studio and Marvel exec produces it (adding in two associate directors roughly per film from a marvel studios department). The "Marvel" branding is mostly for rights management. Marvel likes to pretend that it makes better movies now because "they're in charge" but that is largely self-hype.
The whole argument aside, let's be honest, Marvel's own track record is 1.5 out of 3, at best.
Iron Man was awesome.
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Well that's the thing. (for me anyway)
I don't think it looks bad. The effects looked respectable to good, and the trailer made it look pretty exciting. (though that never guarantees quality) I also liked the use of the blue and yellow outfits. I've just checked out on the franchise. I can't bring myself to care about the movie whether it be good or bad. Which is vaguely upsetting seeing what a big X-Men fan I am. |
Trailer looks a lot better than I expected, but I got burned on X3 and Wolverine: Origins, and still don't have any intentions of seeing this in theatres. And as First Class has been reported to have a similar (if not worse) production schedule to X3, I don't want to give Fox any more of my money, and thus reason to continue treating the franchise like they've been doing.
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Honestly I'd put Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 much higher. Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 are a least on par with some of the best non-Marvel Studio comic films. And much, much higher in regards to respecting the source material.
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Originally Posted by Evangel_NA
The whole argument aside, let's be honest, Marvel's own track record is 1.5 out of 3, at best.
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This isn't the case.|
Originally Posted by Evangel_NA
What I was trying to point out is if you look at the Production credits for pre-"Marvel" movies and post-"Marvel" movies you see the production staff represented by Marvel barely changes. The studios are still largely in charge of creative decisions and a crew of producers is assembled by the studio.
Arad is still an exec producer on all, Feige is still involved as a producer on most, and Marvel can have some say in who the studio chooses and has more approval weight but in the end production is still done primarily by the studio and Marvel exec produces it (adding in two associate directors roughly per film from a marvel studios department). The "Marvel" branding is mostly for rights management. Marvel likes to pretend that it makes better movies now because "they're in charge" but that is largely self-hype. |
Despite much of the same names and similar branding on "in-house" and "out-house" (see what I did there?) movies, the difference between the two sets of franchises is significant, moving from a passive to an active role. Primarily it's that Marvel finances the latter properties themselves (which will continue as a division of Disney) bringing on associate studios and investors as needs be. Those associates have a limited stake in the bottom-line financing as they are relegated primarily to distribution duties.
What this means is that before they took control of the films, Marvel Studios *might* have been consulted as a courtesy when it came time for production -- and from all reports their input was solicited but largely ignored on both the Spider-man and X-Men movie series (despite what they politely state publicly) -- but now they have control over every aspect of the films, from script to hiring the filmmakers to casting. And that's because they write the checks. So no, this isn't just a pro forma change, but rather a significant difference between what has gone before and what's happening from now on.
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The whole argument aside, let's be honest, Marvel's own track record is 1.5 out of 3, at best. Iron Man was awesome. Incredible Hulk was lame. Iron Man 2 was meh. |
In any case, all three of these movies are superior to all the Marvel films made outside their umbrella with the possible exceptions of X-Men 2 and Fantastic Four 2.
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Personally, I don't understand all the hullabaloo about the differences in continuity. I think of pretty much any comic book film as being an Elseworlds type of story. In fact, I derive alot of my enjoyment of comic book films by comparing the filmed and comic book versions.
I'm really looking forward to this. Far more than I am Captain America or particularly, Green Lantern. Matthew Vaughn has made three films, and I dig all three of them, so I was sold on this as soon as I heard he'd be directing it. I also have really dug James Macavoy in the two films I've seen him in (Last King of Scotland and Atonement), so yeah, I'm looking forward to this one. Almost more than any other comic book film coming out. Almost--not more than The Dark Knight Rises.
I thought it looked great.
Looks alright, but I just I can't help but be very reluctant to see any more xmen films especially since they'll likely reboot again if this one tanks and marvel reclaims it's IP. So avoiding it might be doing the property a favor in the long run.
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I dont know, I'll give it a try, at least its got the Blackbird
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Originally Posted by Zikar
So... I'm one of the few that actually thought this looked better than I was expecting?
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I realize this movie will probably crap all over the X-men "canon" once again, but fortunately I was never a serious reader of the comics so there's hope that this will simply be an entertaining "prequel" for me. Time will tell of course.
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See, for me, that's 3 out of 3. Iron Man was awesome. Incredible Hulk was good (objectively speaking. From a personal point of view it was almost perfect) and Iron Man 2 was great.
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Originally Posted by Evangel_NA
The whole argument aside, let's be honest, Marvel's own track record is 1.5 out of 3, at best.
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Trailer was better than I expected, but still shaking from seeing X3....
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Perhaps Magneto was causing the Blackbird to hover too????
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Ironically the only thing I really didn't like about the trailer was that it looked like the version of the SR-71 Blackbird they were using was hovering. I have absolutely no problem with comic book movies like this coming up with all sorts of sci-fi tech for things that can't actually exist in real life. But when they screw around with things that actually do exist and make them do things they can't do IRL that actually annoys me. Go figure.
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I'm moderately interested.
The casting looks excellent and while I wasn't a rabid fan of Layer Cake or Kick *** they were interesting films that make me think the director will have something entertaining to say about the X franchise.
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I'm with you. Maybe Magneto is keeping it in place. Also, I've seen the Blackbird in real life and the cockpit is teeny tiny. The whole plane is actually quite small. No way people are walking around in it. (They're slightly larger than the F-14 featured in Top Gun.)|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Ironically the only thing I really didn't like about the trailer was that it looked like the version of the SR-71 Blackbird they were using was hovering. I have absolutely no problem with comic book movies like this coming up with all sorts of sci-fi tech for things that can't actually exist in real life. But when they screw around with things that actually do exist and make them do things they can't do IRL that actually annoys me. Go figure.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
I'm with you. Maybe Magneto is keeping it in place. Also, I've seen the Blackbird in real life and the cockpit is teeny tiny. The whole plane is actually quite small. No way people are walking around in it. (They're slightly larger than the F-14 featured in Top Gun.)
I don't really care about X-Men canon since the books have screwed it up plenty. It's a little odd they pushed it back to 1962-ish, but maybe it's because the books have locked Magneto's origin in with the Holocaust so early 30s means early 1960s. I think Grant Morrison actually hates Marvel and the X-Men based on the stuff he wrote, so basic changes like that are no big deal to me. |
What's so hard to believe about that, considering they have access to the danger room?
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Your a little off in the size comparo Ironik, cockpits are proabably about the same but the SR-71 is a bigger plane by a good margin. The chines make the fuselage look a bit wider around the cockpit but its roughly the same width.|
Originally Posted by Ironik
I'm with you. Maybe Magneto is keeping it in place. Also, I've seen the Blackbird in real life and the cockpit is teeny tiny. The whole plane is actually quite small. No way people are walking around in it. (They're slightly larger than the F-14 featured in Top Gun.)
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A few weekends ago me and my bro went out to the Va Air Museum at Richmond Intl. near Sandston Va and they have an F-14, SR-71, and A-7 sitting outside. (I grabbed the pic from Google Earth - actually saw it oneday when I made a wrong turn going to the local drag strip for some racing and finally made it out to see the plane, if anybody wants to check it out, just open GE and type in Sandston Va, the airport is easily found as it zooms in).
Sadly its in a poor state of repair, but what an awesome resto that would make
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Now the Blackbird in the movie would be even larger (I guess atleast 2.5x to 3x larger).
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Yeah, I meant the interior space. I wasn't clear, sorry. The plane is really, really long. I think it's even bigger than the Superfortress it was sitting next to at the USAF Museum in Dayton. (Awesome museum, btw, highly recommended.)
Edit: 107 feet and 99 feet for the Blackbird and Superfortress, respectively. Wow, the SR-71 is 67k pounds empty and 170k pounds full. Damn, that's a lot of gas. I recall a show saying that the planes leaked terribly until they got up to speed and friction heated them up so the joints sealed up. Sounds incredibly dangerous to me. Maybe magneto keeps the X-Men's gas in.
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You mean like a better story? Like better casting and some semblance of trying to fallow something from the comics the movie was supposedly based on. Perhaps better acting from top notch actors who all seemed to show up only because of contractual obligations to horribly phone in a piece of junk script that looked like some one over interpreted the smear marks left on a piece of paper that a monkey flung his feces at? |
Originally Posted by BrandX
Could be better than X-Man 3 though, which could of used some major improvements,
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It could have used some major improvements, like not seeing the light of day would have been an improvement for that flick.
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