Hamidon Sighting in Praetoria?
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Posted on: 2010-12-21 09:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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there aren't 6 billion people left on Praetorian earth |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
They're not trying to murder or enslave over 6 billion people
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There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
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Primal Earth is Tyrant's target |
Originally Posted by BigFish
there aren't 6 billion people left on Praetorian earth
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@Golden Girl
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Yes, there was a side switchign system in it |
Originally Posted by BigFish
the Sith were created by George Lucas specifically as 'Mustache Villains". there were reasons why that issue was called "Shades of Gray"
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If you like, you can skip to the dev quotes at the end if you want to avoid the in-game stuff about Tyrant's evil ways
Tyrant’s invasion plans for Primal Earth:
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“Plans are ready to begin the war effort. Emperor Cole believes that the chaos on Primal Earth will spread into Praetoria soon. Already, we have seen Arachnos and Longbow causing terror in our streets. Primal Earth has entire armies of terrorists, monsters, and demons running about unchecked. If they were to find a way into Praetoria, we would all be doomed It is for that reason that we have worked tirelessly under the direction of Anti-Matter on these machines to bring the war to Primal Earth first. We will use the tower Neuron has built to create a portal big enough to fit the War Walkers. Once they are deployed, the war will be over within a week. Not even the Phalanx can withstand their might. We have been ordered by Cole to take any non-super powered being prisoner and to have the Seers scan their minds to see if they are a threat. Any civilian who is not a threat will be allowed to live under Cole's new empire. We have also programmed the machines to avoid attacking civilians, though casualties due to collateral damage cannot be avoided.' The main purpose is clear: we must destroy the threat on Primal Earth before it destroys us. Once that is done, we will wipe out the remainder of the Resistance. It is estimated we would only need one third of our machines to do so.” |
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“Your hands are already stained with blood, <character name>, much like mine. But we both have done all of these things to protect what we believe in, to protect Praetoria. That is why I fought Hamidon, to protect the world. That is why I have made Praetoria as it is today, to protect the people from themselves.” "That is why I stepped forward to save this world from Hamidon, and that is why I have taken such measures to protect the people of Praetoria from the chaotic nature of humanity.” “People are weak. At least when it comes to doing the right thing. That is why you cannot give them the choice to do what is wrong. I have done so in Praetoria, and look at how it has flourished. Primal Earth, however, allows this to continue, even with some of the worst examples of humanity. That is why it must be wiped away. They know of our perfect world and already, as you have seen, they seek to destroy us. People, when left to their own free will, will seek only to destroy that which is good, that which is pure, <character name>. I will not give them the option to do that. I will strike them down before they can act and ensure that no others ever get the chance to make that choice, the choice to destroy. Humanity cannot be trusted with that choice of destruction; only someone like myself can.” “Those who are in Praetoria deserve the chance to live, <character name>. But not the people in Primal Earth. They have gone for far too long believing in their own way of life. I cannot simply go in there and have them change. No, doing so would be far too difficult and would risk the lives of those in Praetoria. The only way this can end is for all those in Primal Earth who can stand against me to be wiped out. The others will be assimilated into the new Praetorian society on Primal Earth. I will not hesitate to have my army turn on you, <character name>, if you choose to fight in the side of Primals. But I believe that your time in Primal Earth will show you the true, rotting nature of humanity and the horrors that it's capable of.” “I, too, once believed that humanity was good, that it could band together and be saved from the horrors that it was capable of. But this isn't true, <character name>. I have learned this the hard way. You, too, shall learn this the hard way as well. Your time on Primal Earth will show you the true nature of humanity. That I am sure of.” |
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Secret Prisoner: "You have found one of the most forbidden of places in Praetoria: the secret interrogation chamber beneath the PPD Precinct where the officers take the most recalcitrant prisoners for enhanced interrogations." Disappeared: "This is where enemies of the State vanish forever. These lost souls have been brought here from the PPD Headquarters for summary execution without review or recourse." Seer: "Blind yet seeing and casting judgment yet mindless of the crime; the Seer is the instrument of control and the constant threat of the Emperor's displeasure." Condemning: "It is no small thing to make the long perilous journey to the levels beneath the Behavioral Adjustment Facility. The route is filled with hostile PPD trained to shoot first and never ask questions. You have entered a realm that is the last many will see: Do you seek to free the condemned from their fate, or facilitate their demise?" Silent Witness: "You have seen much injustice and brutality in your journeys through Praetoria, and here beneath Precinct 4 in Imperial City you are witness to a chamber dedicated to both. Will you remain silent forever?" Nailbiter: "This PPD interrogation and holding area is littered with the signs of harsh treatment. Dried bodily fluids, ripped off fingernails, and a few human teeth mark this area as a place you don't want to wind up in." Mercy Missionary: "You have visited the Behavioral Adjustment Facility to extend a helping hand to the lost souls housed within. It took great courage to enter this forbidden area, braving the sonic fence and the hordes of belligerent guards on your mission of mercy." Broken Mind: "Deep beneath the Mother of Mercy Hospital, the moans of misbegotten Seers echo through these forgotten corridors. Their sorrow seeps into the minds of those who hear them, disrupting thought and disturbing the emotions. Tarry too long and your mind shall be broken as theirs." Knows the Truth: “From the depths of the Underground to the top of the Magisterium, Praetoria is built on lies. After 50 badges, you've learned this truth." |
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| When someone speaks out against Emperor Cole or Praetorian matters, the dark side of the PPD emerges, and burly, well-armed officers come into your house in the dead of night and take your loved ones away. |
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| The Resistance attempts to awaken the populace to the reality of what's going on in Praetoria, and it does everything in its power to get would-be Heroes and Villains educated and out of Praetoria as quickly as possible. Members of the Resistance have banded together under the universal goal of stopping Tyrant and returning freedom to all. |
Joe “Hero 1” Morrissey:
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"Emperor Cole is an actual tyrant, and he's doing things to humanity and the freedoms that we're losing because of this". "The real threat is not the Resistance, it's the Praetorian Police Department, and Clockwork and the Seers and the Praetorian Guard". He’s also said that inspiration for Praetoria came from books like “1984”, “Brave New World” and “Fahrenheit 451”, among others. |
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“Tyrant needed to be someone that people could empathize with, despite the fact that he was a villain. We made Tyrant into a version of Statesman who believed a little less in the inherent good in people, and a little more in his own. This minute change was all it took for Primal Earth’s greatest hero to become Paretoria Earth's greatest villain." The Powers Division “Kill more people than the other four (PPD, Clockwork, Seers, Praetorian Guard) combined”. Praetoria is “a totalitarian regime". |
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| “Praetorians do not use the normal GR system, but have points within their stories where they can choose "Loyalist (aka Villain)" or "Resistance (aka Hero)"" |
Jesse “Ghost Falcon” Caceres:
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“At one of our prior panels we revealed that loyalists were actually villains, and Resistance were heroes.” “We made it actually really cool to be a villain, right? And that’s awesome. And players were just choosing like “yeah I want to be loyalist, I want to be the guy that’s supporting the dictatorship””. |
The stiff-armers can squeal all they like about the "Good" that tyrant does, but it isnät supported in the game, or out side of it
@Golden Girl
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Wait, since when does setting off multiple nuclear explosions within a cities limits NOT count as trying to kill everyone in that city?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
They're not trying to murder or enslave over 6 billion people
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The Abrams is one of the most effective war machines on the planet. - R. Lee Ermy.
Q: How do you wreck an Abrams?
A: You crash into another one.
Maybe there should be an option to join the Devouring Earth. Save the planet, stop "global warming."
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"The people will be free when they're... um... all right, chomper, ya got us. None of us 'Crusaders' really give a toss about the people or freedom or any o' that, we just like blowin' [censored] up."
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Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Wait, since when does setting off multiple nuclear explosions within a cities limits NOT count as trying to kill everyone in that city?
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Faces of the City
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Well, that's the beauty of it! I don't have to, since they support Arachnos, and Arachnos supports the resistance making them Arachnos the good guys! Since Arachnos are the good guys, and the Freedon Phalanx oppose them, the Freedom Phalanx are evil.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, that's what GR is for - it lets your Villains change to the right side
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Tyrant is so evil that even the normal Villains have to oppose him - kinda like the Rikti threat |
Originally Posted by Rikis
Well, that's the beauty of it! I don't have to, since they support Arachnos, and Arachnos supports the resistance making them Arachnos the good guys! Since Arachnos are the good guys, and the Freedon Phalanx oppose them, the Freedom Phalanx are evil.
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@Golden Girl
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I don't know anything about Hamidon or its origins or goals (and I don't want any spoilers, I haven't been playing for years like many of you). So from my perspective of complete ignorance on the subject, a thread like this really sparks the ol' imagination, and especially Noble Savage's response to it.|
Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Depictions of Hamidon that you see scattered around Praetoria are merely a caricature of the real thing: artists' renderings of something seen only from a distance and poorly understood. Hamidon has changed since players last confronted the creature in Primal Earth, but the story here is just beginning to unfold...
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Which gave me a really cool idea for a villain group (or a player-created villain character or themed SG). Noble Savage's line that "Hamidon has changed since players last confronted the creature in Primal Earth" gave me the idea for this, and it has "comic book monster" written all over it. Imagine a kind of interdimensional virus, one that lives on the dimensional brane itself, mostly harmless and unknown to physical life. But unchecked intermingling between dimensions has allowed the virus to propagate itself across worlds, mutating into a physically monstrous manifestation. What makes the creature unique is that all of its dimensional selves have become a hive mind, connected to each other, a kind of cancerous growth spreading across a growing number of dimensional branes.
Man. I really wish Mission Architect had a feature for customizable giant monsters.
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I do believe that the Freedom Phalanx opposes Tyrant. So you're right, even normal Villains are against him.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Tyrant is so evil that even the normal Villains have to oppose him - kinda like the Rikti threat
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I don't think that even an overdose of Enriche could make someone have that view
@Golden Girl
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I would do it
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Maybe there should be an option to join the Devouring Earth. Save the planet, stop "global warming."
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They can call it what they want, but gluing feathers on a rat doesn't make it a swan. The only "shades of grey" in Praetoria are black and almost-black.| the Sith were created by George Lucas specifically as 'Mustache Villains". there were reasons why that issue was called "Shades of Gray" |
For an example of what I thought the plight of the Wardens should look more like, try "Cole In Your Stocking", #474611. </unabashedplug>
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Maybe there should be an option to join the Devouring Earth. Save the planet, stop "global warming."
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Cole wearing my stockings? That could make for an interesting picture |
Originally Posted by Venture
They can call it what they want, but gluing feathers on a rat doesn't make it a swan. The only "shades of grey" in Praetoria are black and almost-black.
For an example of what I thought the plight of the Wardens should look more like, try "Cole In Your Stocking", #474611. </unabashedplug> |
@Golden Girl
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Well, I'm pretty sure thats a Nova, along with the MA bug (?) that makes power effects like the SS flash turn off. The tentacles, bottom part of the tail, and glow are all power effects. Without the glow, its even more translucent. There ya go. |
Originally Posted by Fusion_7
That's great. Tentacles in Praetoria. I'm happy for all you believers out there. Well my friends, you want to see something earth-shattering and really scary? Take a good look at what we saw in Dark Astoria.
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@Blaze Moon, Blaze Moon the 2nd
This is where something more interesting than my global and this sentence would be.
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its the praetorian hamidon!he's trying to get in!
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Originally Posted by fusion_7
that's great. Tentacles in praetoria. I'm happy for all you believers out there. Well my friends, you want to see something earth-shattering and really scary? Take a good look at what we saw in dark astoria.
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What is that? I thought it was a Rancor form RotJ, but it's more reptilian.|
Originally Posted by Fusion_7
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I think it's an early design for the Cloverfield monster
@Golden Girl
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well look at that, it's mister cloverfield monster
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Wait. I'm not claiming that Tyrant and the Praetors are 'good'. You have a choice between supporting the Monster Cole or the Monster-lite Scott. GG only wants to see White Hats and Black Hats, but it's not even that simple in a COMPUTER GAME
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Originally Posted by Venture
They can call it what they want, but gluing feathers on a rat doesn't make it a swan. The only "shades of grey" in Praetoria are black and almost-black.
For an example of what I thought the plight of the Wardens should look more like, try "Cole In Your Stocking", #474611. </unabashedplug> |
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
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There not trying to do that just take over P. Earths government. I mean considering what a swell job the government of his world did what with the whole hammyocolips thing. It's not to surprising that he wouldn't have faith in P. Earth's government.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
They're not trying to murder or enslave over 6 billion people
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From the invasion plans:|
Originally Posted by Hydrofoil_Zero
There not trying to do that just take over P. Earths government.
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| "We have been ordered by Cole to take any non-super powered being prisoner and to have the Seers scan their minds to see if they are a threat. Any civilian who is not a threat will be allowed to live under Cole's new empire." |
Here's a quote from Tyrant too, which spells out the level of slaughter he's going to have his stormtroopers carry out:
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| “Those who are in Praetoria deserve the chance to live, <character name>. But not the people in Primal Earth. They have gone for far too long believing in their own way of life. I cannot simply go in there and have them change. No, doing so would be far too difficult and would risk the lives of those in Praetoria. The only way this can end is for all those in Primal Earth who can stand against me to be wiped out. The others will be assimilated into the new Praetorian society on Primal Earth." |
@Golden Girl
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There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"