Hamidon Sighting in Praetoria?
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Posted on: 2010-12-21 09:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Dictatorship, mass-murder, torure, brianwashing, repression and planned world-wide genocide and enslavement can't be looked at as anything other than absolute evil.
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Originally Posted by Pedro Schwartz
GG,remember that,on this same dialogue,Tyrant says he BELIEVES in the Praetorian Utopia,and that the chaos of Primal Earth is taking Primal to a path of self destruction.Cole believes that he's doing the RIGHT THING,that some sacrifices are necessary to save mankind from itself.We cannot,I repeat,cannot look at Praetoria with white and black lenses.
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Apparently the tentacles are not from Hami... It's the deja vu monster!
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It's effects are felt most on the forums.
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SO THAT explains why they're in the future ouro. apparently, cole wants to save Praetoria from needing to grind Ouro flashbacks.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Apparently the tentacles are not from Hami... It's the deja vu monster!
... It's effects are felt most on the forums. |
or doesn't want people to ouro-flashback dead contacts back to life and constantly flip flop between loyalist and Resistance.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
SO THAT explains why they're in the future ouro. apparently, cole wants to save Praetoria from needing to grind Ouro flashbacks.
or doesn't want people to ouro-flashback dead contacts back to life and constantly flip flop between loyalist and Resistance. |
Those tentacles are only in that promotional picture, they are not in Mender Ramiel's arc.
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What does this have to do with it? Aside from the fact that he could easily be lying (and just wants power for its own sake), it doesn't in any way, shape or form mitigate what he's doing. Golden Girl is right on that point.| GG,remember that,on this same dialogue,Tyrant says he BELIEVES in the Praetorian Utopia,and that the chaos of Primal Earth is taking Primal to a path of self destruction.Cole believes that he's doing the RIGHT THING,that some sacrifices are necessary to save mankind from itself. |
"Evil, be my good" is pretty rare even in comics. Most villains at least claim to be doing the "right thing" by their perspective. Even Recluse claims to be building a better world.
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Actually, they do appear in the first mission, but not always.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Those tentacles are only in that promotional picture, they are not in Mender Ramiel's arc.
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Good intentions do not justify evil actions. Hitler, in his own mind, had good intentions; to create a world filled with the perfect race. Sounds pretty nice, eh? I'm sure we can all agree that Hitler was evil, regardless of his intentions.
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Originally Posted by Pedro Schwartz
GG,remember that,on this same dialogue,Tyrant says he BELIEVES in the Praetorian Utopia,and that the chaos of Primal Earth is taking Primal to a path of self destruction.Cole believes that he's doing the RIGHT THING,that some sacrifices are necessary to save mankind from itself.We cannot,I repeat,cannot look at Praetoria with white and black lenses.
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I KNOW THIS PEOPLE!
I'm just trying to remind you to look at praetoria without common good-and-evil perspectives!
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And finally we hit Godwin's.
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Originally Posted by Irish Fury
Good intentions do not justify evil actions. Hitler, in his own mind, had good intentions; to create a world filled with the perfect race. Sounds pretty nice, eh? I'm sure we can all agree that Hitler was evil, regardless of his intentions.
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And finally we hit Godwin's.
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That's not possible,, because what Tyrant is doing is totally evil - there's no justification for what he's doing and planning to do.|
Originally Posted by Pedro Schwartz
I'm just trying to remind you to look at praetoria without common good-and-evil perspectives!
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he's goign to murder millions and millions of people on Primal Earth, and brainwash the rest to add to his empire - that can't be viewed as anything except evil.
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LOL...yup, guess that why they call it Godwin's LAW. It truly is unavoidable. I am sorry that I had to be the one to draw such a trite parallel, but I do feel it is applicable in this particular case. |
Originally Posted by twelfth
And finally we hit Godwin's.
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@Pedro, Praetoria might have been intended by the devs to be viewed in shades of gray, but BOTH factions are employing evil means to reach their ends. Praetoria is neither shades of gray, nor black and white. It is all black.
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It is - and it's intentional |
Originally Posted by Irish Fury
LOL...yup, guess that why they call it Godwin's LAW. It truly is unavoidable. I am sorry that I had to be the one to draw such a trite parallel, but I do feel it is applicable in this particular case.
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can we imagine a set of circumstances and directions that would allow such an act or series of acts to be justified?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's not possible,, because what Tyrant is doing is totally evil - there's no justification for what he's doing and planning to do.
he's goign to murder millions and millions of people on Primal Earth, and brainwash the rest to add to his empire - that can't be viewed as anything except evil. |
for instance: IF praetoria could be considered as not only an alternate earth, but a slightly 'ahead' universe, then the hamitorian 'could' still occur in primal earth. IF the hamitorian occurred in primal earth then what would be the effect? billions dead and/or hunted by devouring earth?
in consideration of such suffering could tyrant be justified in attempting to rein in the undisciplined masses of meta and non meta humans using his own, personal example of the effects of such an incident and attendant cascading? is tyrant really so immune to calamity that it has zero emotional bearing on his 'big picture'?
strictly questioning, not stating one way or the other.
/personally, i still feel the hamitorian was actually a made tool of cole's to bring about such control, but we'll find out in an eventual way.
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| in consideration of such suffering could tyrant be justified in attempting to rein in the undisciplined masses of meta and non meta humans using his own, personal example of the effects of such an incident and attendant cascading? |
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Yeah,Godwin.I'll quit the discussion.|
Originally Posted by Irish Fury
LOL...yup, guess that why they call it Godwin's LAW. It truly is unavoidable. I am sorry that I had to be the one to draw such a trite parallel, but I do feel it is applicable in this particular case.
@Pedro, Praetoria might have been intended by the devs to be viewed in shades of gray, but BOTH factions are employing evil means to reach their ends. Praetoria is neither shades of gray, nor black and white. It is all black. |
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Originally Posted by spice_weasel
can we imagine a set of circumstances and directions that would allow such an act or series of acts to be justified?
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No.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
No.
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When faced with crimes against humanity, it's quite easy for normal people to agree
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It can when you think about what good and evil are. Who are you to say that your perception of morality is superior to another's?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's not possible,, because what Tyrant is doing is totally evil - there's no justification for what he's doing and planning to do.
he's goign to murder millions and millions of people on Primal Earth, and brainwash the rest to add to his empire - that can't be viewed as anything except evil. |
Why do people try to have a discussion about morality with GG? It's like watching some one bang there head against the wall, you aren't going to change her mind.
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And abnormal ones as well!
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
When faced with crimes against humanity, it's quite easy for normal people to agree
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Which means that loyalists are beyond abnormal |
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
And abnormal ones as well!
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Because I don't support mass-murder, torture, brainwashing and world-wide genocide?
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
It can when you think about what good and evil are. Who are you to say that your perception of morality is superior to another's?
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@Golden Girl
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GG,remember that,on this same dialogue,Tyrant says he BELIEVES in the Praetorian Utopia,and that the chaos of Primal Earth is taking Primal to a path of self destruction.Cole believes that he's doing the RIGHT THING,that some sacrifices are necessary to save mankind from itself.We cannot,I repeat,cannot look at Praetoria with white and black lenses.