Dominators Are Beasts


Airhammer

 

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So my secondary dominator project was a dom I dusted off and reinvented for Going Rogue. A fire/fire with permadom without Hasten was the goal, and I achieved it, and I gotta say, the guy's a frigging jackal.
Pimping ain't easy. Nice.


 

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Originally Posted by RaikenX View Post
Still tryin to get into the Elec control vibe but so far...it's just not clicking with me.
I'm really liking elec/ice. Chilling Aura works better than I expected with the sleep patch and -end toggle, not to mention the solid single target damage, which also works quite well with sleep. Early on, when you get stunned frequently, having to retoggle is annoying - but the closer I get to perma-dom the less annoying that gets .


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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator View Post
Dang all this raving is making we want to play my doms again.
All this raving inspired me to make my first Dominator too, a Mind/Energy called PsiRave!

It was supposed to be just a throw-away test character but I found that I liked the multicolorful bright blinky lights all flashing around everything.


 

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Originally Posted by Airhammer View Post
Hey if you aint playing a Dom... Shame on you..
That means you!!

Doms are so much fun now. //Ice is the best thing .... well just about ever.


 

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Originally Posted by DarkWanderer View Post
That means you!!

Doms are so much fun now. //Ice is the best thing .... well just about ever.
Im on My Earth/Fire/Fire Dom right now thank you..

I also have a Fire/Psi/Fire and an Elec/Elec/Mu...

I am also looking at an Ice/Ice/Ice or a Ice/Thorn/Ice...


The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.

If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-

 

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Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
I'm really liking elec/ice. Chilling Aura works better than I expected with the sleep patch and -end toggle, not to mention the solid single target damage, which also works quite well with sleep. Early on, when you get stunned frequently, having to retoggle is annoying - but the closer I get to perma-dom the less annoying that gets .
Yeah, Elec/Ice is a new fave of mine as well.



 

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Dominators are Beasts :-) Over the weekend, I was trying to create some new characters for 2011. For the past few weeks, I tooled around with a Mastermind, Scrapper, and Tank but the Villain Dominators have that crowd control and assault. It's just a lethal combo. I have a main Grav/Elec Assault Dom and she is my best producer. She has about 2 billion infamy and I was able to get all 12 Alphas(270 shards) over the holiday week(Last week in December) on NA Freedom. I just love the Dom's.

So here's what my new goals are for 2011. On my EU Union account, I created

6 Doms:

Earth/Earth Assault, Praetorian Loyalists
Fire/Fiery Assault, Praetorian Resistance
Ice/Icy Assault, Praetorian Loyalists
Psionic/Psionic Assault, Praetorian Resistance
Thorn/Thorny Assault, Praetorian Loyalists
Electric Control/Energy Assault, Praetorian, Resistance

I'm hoping to take the Dominators to a new level in 2011. I have Controllers but they just don't cut it. By creating Praetorians, I'm hoping to create some Hero Dominator so I can kick @$$ on the Hero side. On the Villain, I want to run my doms through the rest of the Patron Mishes( Mako, Ghost Widow, and Black Scorpion). Look for my posts during the year. Also, I do love the initial new animations. I hope more animations are on the way.

Also, the Doms should be easier to maintain compared to my Controllers. I'll be lucky is she can get all 12 alpha slots in 2011. She has no teeth. The first 30 seconds of this video accurately captures my feelings towards controllers,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNKF1gdlTY

One more thing, you know how everyone was complaining about Trapdoor? With my Dom, I used the holds and prevented him from splitting, ranged him with Electric,Lightning bolts, and static discharge. Then I hopped the rail and beat him down with the combo Thunderstrike, Havoc and Charged Brawl solo. That's versatility for ya :-)

The Dominators Rule!! See ya during the double XP weekend.


 

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I play plenty of controllers and enjoy them.. Dominators are simply a different breed.


The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.

If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-

 

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Originally Posted by Airhammer View Post
I play plenty of controllers and enjoy them.. Dominators are simply a different breed.
This is a true statement but...

"Dominators are Beasts" quote DarkCurrent 2010 :-)

My controller is a helpmate basically. I heal and protect people from their mistakes/choices but as a Dom...I can take!!

Lord Recluse even has comments to say about this:
http://jumbofiles.com/qk7rzh1zy0vh

We are Lions!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_O68HUcHos


 

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My Doms are steamrollers! I love 'em!

My Controllers, on the other hand (other than Fire or Plant/Kin)... This is the sort of steamroller that they are, and it sums up my feelings about them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLlUgilKqms

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Dominators, for being a 'Villain' AT, at least have the decency to give their opponents a quick arrest. Controllers, on the other hand, seem to be much more sadistic in that they force their opponents to stand around in agony for a small eternity.


 

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Originally Posted by Excelsio View Post
My Doms are steamrollers! I love 'em!

My Controllers, on the other hand (other than Fire or Plant/Kin)... This is the sort of steamroller that they are, and it sums up my feelings about them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLlUgilKqms
This video perfectly represents the Controller.


 

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I try to experiment with other AT's but dominators are truly epic. All my mains are pretty much doms. My ice/fire/ice absolutely tears up everything I love it. Mind/nrg is a lot of fun too. I'm thinking of finishing an elec/elec as my tank experiences are dull.


Make it stop... Too many doms.


 

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Originally Posted by DarkWanderer View Post
I think the alphas benefit Doms more than some other classes. Most people can get permadom without investing much inf.
The recharge alpha slot doesn't effect domination does it? I assumed it wouldn't


 

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Originally Posted by Syndace View Post
The recharge alpha slot doesn't effect domination does it? I assumed it wouldn't
No, it doesn't. It can't affect a power if you can't slot that kind of enhancement into it; and you can't slot Domination at all.


Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth

 

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Originally Posted by Airhammer View Post
I play plenty of controllers and enjoy them.. Dominators are simply a different breed.
With the exception of my Fire/Rad/Stone controller I agree with this statement.

I only realised last night that my Fire/Rad/Stone controller has basically been a Dominator in disguise the whole time in terms of playstyle.


 

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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade View Post
No, it doesn't. It can't affect a power if you can't slot that kind of enhancement into it; and you can't slot Domination at all.
it doesn't affect Domination, but it does affect Hasten, which is a bit harder to get perma, and is important to reduce when aiming for perma. Thus, it is still good to slot for.


 

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Originally Posted by Excelsio View Post
My Doms are steamrollers! I love 'em!

My Controllers, on the other hand (other than Fire or Plant/Kin)... This is the sort of steamroller that they are, and it sums up my feelings about them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLlUgilKqms

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Dominators, for being a 'Villain' AT, at least have the decency to give their opponents a quick arrest. Controllers, on the other hand, seem to be much more sadistic in that they force their opponents to stand around in agony for a small eternity.
Controllers and Dominators differ greatly in their play style - currently I prefer Doms, however the comments on Controllers being low damage simply aren't true.

There are many good solo/high damage Controllers:
Fire/Kins are among the best Farmers in the game
Ill/Cold is currently top of the pile for soloing pylons (single target damage).

I've got an Ill/Kin/Stone that solos +2/x8 and +3/x8 at a very good rate without massive investment.

There are many other very powerful combos - in general they are just harder to build for damage than Dominators.


L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR

Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller

 

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The two are very different. Controllers are Control/Buff-Debuff and Dominators are Control/Damage. Therefore Dominators in general tend to do more damage. However Controllers can be quite powerful in their own right.


The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.

If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-

 

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I updated the results of All Dom SF Saturday. Quick summary:
ITF: 1 hr 5 mins
RSF: Failed
LGTF: went with a mixed group and did a shard run. 2 doms participated.
Silver Mantis: not enough members
Ice Mistral: not enough members


Long Story:
ITF -
We did the sybils at a fair pace. The cysts took a while and resulted in some deaths. For the PC, we did the PC first and then pulled Rom and Req. The generals and the EBs with them took a while to kill. For the last mission, we cleared the bridge and went down the left side until we killed to 120. Then we cleared the court before Rom. It was easy to mez Rom but it took a while to chip at his HP. Finished at 1 hr, 5 mins.


RSF -
The doms that originally wanted to come for RSF didn't want to do it anymore after the 1 hr speed ITF. Hiru thought that an all dom ITF would go fast, but in this case, it didn't, so he decided not to come to RSF.
So only 4 of us were left and it took 20 mins to gather 3 other doms. It was an almost dom team except for 1 kin corr that agreed to fill in.
Crimson was routine. For the Malta, we grabbed some breakfrees for those damn gas holds. In the Future FP, I fired off Enchantment of Serafina to protect from Numi and Sis' mez. We tried to pull one by one, but Sis and Bab came at the same time. We tried to focus on Sis, but Bab kept killing folks, so I popped Surge of Power and kept him busy until Sis went down. Then it was off to the Vindicator base. This is where it didn't work out. First and second pull for Mal resulted in everyone coming over. For the 3rd and 4th pull, the mind doms tried to sleep them, but eventually they woke up and attacked. We had Mal down to 10% HP, but over time, the other heroes took out team members one by one. After the 4th pull, one of the doms said he had enough of debt and took off.


LGTF -
After disbanding RSF, 3 of us were left, so I asked the team if they wanted to do an all dom run. We decided to go with a mixed team and do a shard run. We finished in 1 hr 13 mins.

For the lowbie SFs, I asked around if any dom was interested, but I didn't get any responses. *shrug*

So there you have it. Judge as you will. Feel free to try all Dom runs. It can be an interesting experience.


 

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Rolled a new dom yesterday to celebrate my purchase of Going Rogue. It was Elec/Fire, and I knew little about Electric Control when I made it. For the first 11 levels or so, I mostly thought, "Well these powers are look cool together with the Omega Aura, but I'm not seeing anything worth being excited." Jolting Chain was neat, but that Conductive Aura wasn't doing much to keep my character alive and the Immobilizes weren't worth picking yet because I didn't have any reason to hold the enemies down and lose the knockback from Jolting Chain.

Then I hit level 12.

I was told my my friend on skype about three minutes later that if I wanted to keep cackling, I should mute my speaker.


Too many alts to list.

 

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Originally Posted by Mr_Grumpums View Post
...the Immobilizes weren't worth picking yet because I didn't have any reason to hold the enemies down and lose the knockback from Jolting Chain.
Just FYI, elec/'s AoE immob does *not* prevent knockdown (although the single target one does). That AoE immob also drains 10% end and applies all of its damage at once instead of spread out in ticks, so it meshes better with static field and slotted for endmod it's a worthwhile part of your sapping arsenal - static field -> jolting chain -> chain fences = they're asleep, then they're knocked down, then they've had some extra end drained and immobilized, and they're usually asleep again before they get up. It, along with plant's roots, are the only AoE immobs I'd recommend picking up on a dom.

AKA: it gets better


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Student, Gamer, Altaholic, and future Astronomer.

This is what it means to be a tank!

 

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Originally Posted by Airhammer View Post
The two are very different. Controllers are Control/Buff-Debuff and Dominators are Control/Damage. Therefore Dominators in general tend to do more damage. However Controllers can be quite powerful in their own right.
The Dom do more damage that's clear but this has been my experience with the controllers. In Heroville, I'm always being asked to heal and the controller can do this so well, you'll end up working your tail off. I did the Abandoned Sewer mish a few times and I stopped playing my controller after that. Do Cauterize, Heal, TP, and Shields(thaw, plasma, forge)...its a workout and if you should die...you'll be the last one rezed. But as a Dom...everyone loves you :-) For example, I was asked into an AE farm just to "rain" damage.


 

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Originally Posted by Residentx_EU View Post
The Dom do more damage that's clear but this has been my experience with the controllers. In Heroville, I'm always being asked to heal and the controller can do this so well, you'll end up working your tail off. I did the Abandoned Sewer mish a few times and I stopped playing my controller after that. Do Cauterize, Heal, TP, and Shields(thaw, plasma, forge)...its a workout and if you should die...you'll be the last one rezed. But as a Dom...everyone loves you :-) For example, I was asked into an AE farm just to "rain" damage.
I know the feeling. I made an Earth/Thermal Controller as my "Supporting" controller, purely because I felt that Earth could take care of a significant amount of control sooner than other sets, giving me time to heal/buff. My other controller is a Plants/TA, and it can lock down enemies so incredibly effectively that it's very rare for my teams to get hurt.

Also, many thanks to Muon_Neutrino for pointing out the benefits of Chain Fences. I think I'm going to pick it up as my very next power.


Too many alts to list.

 

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Originally Posted by Residentx_EU View Post
The Dom do more damage that's clear but this has been my experience with the controllers. In Heroville, I'm always being asked to heal and the controller can do this so well, you'll end up working your tail off. I did the Abandoned Sewer mish a few times and I stopped playing my controller after that. Do Cauterize, Heal, TP, and Shields(thaw, plasma, forge)...its a workout and if you should die...you'll be the last one rezed. But as a Dom...everyone loves you :-) For example, I was asked into an AE farm just to "rain" damage.
It's not clear at all!!
When it comes to taking down mobs fast:
Ill/Cold or Ill//Rad will take down a single hard target (AV/GM)faster than any Dominator.
A team of Fire/Rad Controllers with stacked AM will beat any team of Dominators.
A single Fire/Kin compares favourably with any Dominator in farming - not sure who would win this but doubt there would be much in it either way.

Controllers can be very potent both solo or in a team, it depends very much on the Primary/Secondary combination. Also you don't have to be a buff bot, some Secondaries have little or no buffs to push out - Rad/Storm/TA.
You chose a low damage, team orientated combination - that doesn't mean all controllers are the same.

Both can be fun and very potent.


L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR

Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller

 

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It's not clear at all!!
When it comes to taking down mobs fast:
Ill/Cold or Ill//Rad will take down a single hard target (AV/GM)faster than any Dominator.
A team of Fire/Rad Controllers with stacked AM will beat any team of Dominators.
A single Fire/Kin compares favourably with any Dominator in farming - not sure who would win this but doubt there would be much in it either way.

Controllers can be very potent both solo or in a team, it depends very much on the Primary/Secondary combination. Also you don't have to be a buff bot, some Secondaries have little or no buffs to push out - Rad/Storm/TA.
You chose a low damage, team orientated combination - that doesn't mean all controllers are the same.

Both can be fun and very potent.
Agreed that combination is what is important. My Ill/Storm/Psi is a crazy monster of chaos. Unfortunately, she's the only Controller that I'll bother to play because in general, Controllers have relatively weak damage. Her heal is also just slightly more useful than what a Dom could do picking up Aid Other.

When it comes to actually controlling, well the fact is that a Dom can do it better...if in Domination. A permadom is a better controller than a Controller in most cases.

So beyond my wonderful Ill/Storm (and other people's Ill/* and Fire/Kins), I'll take a Dom any day, too. Grab some Kins and you'll be rolling along.