Issue 19 - Patch Notes for build 1900.201011102104.11

No, it really doesn't. First of all, you can trigger them and run away before you take damage.
Secondly, it's really easy to immobilize him after you hit him with a power that reduces his protection from it.

It hits Patron pets, too. I just watched Kestrel's dim-wit of an Adept wander all the way down a corridor and into the next room to aggro a completely new spawn of Council goons while she was still scrapping it out with the remains of the first group.

He's always had a horrible habit of closing into melee range (In spite of not having a single melee attack to his name-), and occasionally he's been known to zark something in a near-by spawn... But I've never seen him go so far out of his way to FIND another group to attack while Kestrel was still engaged in a fight.

I'd really hate to have to give up on having Kes' Adept around... the way I play that particular stalker is heavily based on having her companion... but I won't have a choice if this keeps up.

Given the overly large amount of proximity bombs, it is unlikely that anyone would be able to dodge the proximity bombs. If a single player takes any damage from them, no player on the team gets the badge.

He isn't the one throwing out the bombs. The 3 INVISIBLE critters that CANNOT be targeted are running around dropping bombs even IF the Director is immobilized or held.

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Let me get this straight. WHF feels we should just get over a problem that has popped up for years instead of asking that it actually be fixed, right? Sorry, doesn't work for me. If there is a problem, please report it, talk about it in the forums and let the Devs/Company know that it is a problem for you. If enough people do this then MAYBE it will be made a priority to fix.

Personally though, I am hoping something is done about the server instability. I have been "Mapserver'd" more times in the last week since Issue 19 went live, than in the entire three months combined. If I had been playing during peak hours maybe I could understand, but I mostly play during non-peak hours and every time this has happened to me was a non-peak time but one. Did a Statesman TF last week and almost everyone was "Mapserver'd" at least once and one poor guy had it happen at least three times in each mission. At one point he even said he had never had it happen before and couldn't understand what was going on.

That is the question that I have. They seem to be intent to remove any player tactic that works to get badges like this.

Likely using the tactic of mezzing the invisible pets or using player pets to damage the invisible pets. Or using Warburg nukes to defeat the Director before the pets start dropping the proximity mines.

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lol, had me laughing, i love General Aarons, he's the Chestie Puller of CoH. Para-phrasin' "They got us surrounded again. The poor bastiges. That'll make it easier to find them and kill them."

I found the Director 11 encounter really fun the one time I did it. And it was a horrible chaotic mess, with people dying all over the place.

That was before I knew you weren't allowed to trigger a single bomb in order to get the Mo badge though. I'm still not seeing how that can be done in a non-cheesy way. They were all over he place.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

There is a LOT of notice when one is about to go off from floating text.

Ok, are you absolutely sure the invisible critters are still mobile and actively planting more than one bomb even if Director 11 is held and or immobilized? Because we had absolutely zero trouble with him in that state.

The only thing gettin' dropped is pvp.

Source on this? [edit]I mean, I know for a fact that we set off bombs without taking damage and got the badge. There was nothing in today's patch notes that indicated you can't do that anymore, I think.

...correct me if I'm wrong, but the bombs are all on the ground, right? Wouldn't you just need everyone to be flying (you know, with a purchasable jet pack, if nothing else), and then level him with ranged buffs, controls, and attacks?

Or can the mines actually trigger and damage a target 20 feet off the ground? Admittedly, this can make the Tanks/Scrappers/Brutes/Stalkers a bit useless in the fight, but hey...

If you can dodge a blue field, you can dodge a trip mine. or run through them at superspeed, (or ninja run) setting them off without taking damage.

The AoE of the proximity bombs is such that it will hurt players on the ceiling. Especially since the mine layers plant bombs high up.

Tell that to the picture that someone posted in the beta thread. The mines are still capable of reaching this level of coverage on live. The mine layers are able to also jump onto the tops of the shelves and into the rafters.



It was actually worse before the developers locked everyone in that room.

If the mine layers are affected by another critter (Director 11) getting held, then they would be highly unique in the game. No other summoned entity gets the mezzed state of the summoner. The only way you'd not be dealing with the mine layers is if you managed to hold the Director before he summoned the mine layers. If you don't, then the mine layers have the ability to move unless they are specifically targeted. Oh right, they can't be targeted. They can't be affected by AoE Damage (likely including all mezzes). Maybe pets can target and attack them, but I wouldn't count on that being the case for long if it is allowed now.

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Yeah, this happened on my single run of the TF as well.

This vet agrees with you. :P

Like what? (Serious question; I don't have any experience with mezzing ATs, but I would like to know this)

If they don't trigger in midair, they certainly damage people in midair, and as mentioned they can be laid up on the shelves and such.

Looks like when I ran it.

Where would you suggest, exactly? The whole place is covered in bombs.

If you're going in a circle, logically the first bomb will have gone off by the time you run through them all...

I don't know all the powers that do it, but Benumb from the cold domination is one of them.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Benumb#Benumb

Data driven development, folks.

When they design things like this, they don't HAVE programming to work with in the traditional sense. They're designing creatures that have powers. There aren't any variables for 'how many times have I cast this power', that would require new tech that the engine doesn't have.

The CLOSEST that I could see for something like this would be to create a critter who has 0 recovery, a set amount of endurance, who only gets endurance back when one of their deployed mines (which are THEMSELVES critters!) go off. This then goes pretty wrong once you're dealing with multiple minelayers, unless you make multiple DISTINCT minelayers with different keys to control which ones get endurance back from a mine exploding or expiring, and in turn this results in you having to make multiple kinds of MINES, too, and having to make sure you don't ever have the wrong minelayer deploy the wrong mine.


I feel bad for whoever on the powers team gets THAT project.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.

LOL! me too

I haven't seen any troubles like this on either of my MMs (Robot and Demon) that wasn't caused by them being Feared or Confused. Fear usually makes them behave that way and if they happen to run into another group while running scared when in Defensive mode, they'll start attacking when they get attacked.

And the melee thing... not seeing that either. Sure, sometimes they do close into melee because they have melee attacks. I tell them to heel and they come back to me, I tell them to attack again and they unload with flying death again.

No, I definitely mentioned it in one of my posts a day or so ago. The whole floor was covered with mines when the team that I was on did it. We couldn't have beaten the AV if we didn't sit/stand by the door where you enter the warehouse from and beat him from range.