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Do you mean stereoscopic support?
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Originally Posted by Asantesana
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I'm just curious to know if the game will go 3d any time soon. I did a search amongst the forums and didnt come up with anything, or perhaps I am just in the wrong place. I am liking some games, NWN2, DDO but Champions and STO not so much. In the first two if you ramp up the slider its like watching the Starwars battle chess game, only way clearer. Sometimes it feels like the game is already in 3d, I think it would only add to it? |
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Stereoscopic? We'd have to see. It could cause motion sickness easily (guessing.) I remember the issues they had with the original look of the Sonic Powers and how they had to be toned down.
Stereoscopic/3D is a long way off from being a commercially available "trick" and has some development needed before we'll see it reach the gaming market.
In modern lingo "long way off" translates into <1 year.
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We played CoH in 3D about 5.5 years ago, when the glasses first became available. It's not bad despite not being natively supported, but not cool enough to justify the cost (or attendant headache).
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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Stereoscopic? We'd have to see. It could cause motion sickness easily (guessing.) I remember the issues they had with the original look of the Sonic Powers and how they had to be toned down. Stereoscopic/3D is a long way off from being a commercially available "trick" and has some development needed before we'll see it reach the gaming market. In modern lingo "long way off" translates into <1 year. |
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I still don't like the current 3D TVs, they don't track well enough for me.
I think CoH'd be cool in 3D, but I'm not paying for a monitor that can do it properly... and red/green 3D which I think nVidia has some drivers for) messes with the colours, obviously.
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Originally Posted by Asantesana
Hey,
I'm just curious to know if the game will go 3d any time soon. I did a search amongst the forums and didnt come up with anything, or perhaps I am just in the wrong place. I am liking some games, NWN2, DDO but Champions and STO not so much. In the first two if you ramp up the slider its like watching the Starwars battle chess game, only way clearer. Sometimes it feels like the game is already in 3d, I think it would only add to it? |
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... okay. You seriously need to read some my posts on the subject of Multi-Monitor / 3D Vision Surround Support: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...t=stereoscopic http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...ic#post3010830 http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...ic#post2723058 http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...ic#post2721555 http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...ic#post2688126 http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...ic#post2520954 http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...ic#post2453139 As you can see, the subject comes up on a regular basis. You are not the first poster to think that Stereoscopic 3D is something that has to be enabled by the developer. Stereoscopic 3D is handled by the graphics driver, not by the game. In a nut-shell, Stereoscopic 3D is simply taking the camera position given by the game, then separating that camera position into two different frames of reference, then feeding back the off-center angles to the monitors. As mentioned many of the times this subject has come up before, various 3rd parties have been doing this angle separation outside of original developers support for years, such as IZ3D and Nvidia. In most (95%+) of the games Nvidia offers Stereoscopic support for there has been absolutely zero input or work done on the game to support Stereoscopic viewing on the part of the game developer. All of the work to support the stereoscopic rendering is done in the Nvidia driver. So if you want Stereoscopic 3D support, you need to go talk to Nvidia. Not Paragon Studios. Let me repeat that. You need to talk to Nvidia. Not Paragon Studios. * * * Now, since I am sure some jerk is going to bring up multi-monitor support, aka Matrox Triple Vision, AMD Eyefinity, and the deliberately confusingly named Nvidia 3D Surround Vision, these types of technologies are not entirely handled by the graphics driver. In the case of City Of Heroes, the game essentially includes it's own internal window manger, allowing the positioning and in many cases, resizing of the internal dialog windows. The window manager seems to be one of the technical reasons City of Heroes breaks when trying to run in triple-monitor configurations. It's not the only one, but it is one example where the game developers do need to do some internal work to account for how the game will perform on a 3rd party feature. Multi-GPU support is another such situations. CoH famously doesn't support Multi-GPU modes, mostly because neither AMD nor Nvidia have fully matured OpenGL 3.x / 4.x drivers and CoH Ultra Mode was the first commercial OpenGL 3.x fast-pass oriented rendering system they had to work with. In many cases Multi-GPU support can be forced at a driver level, but there are some code-optimizations the developers can perform on graphics engine to leverage the presence of multiple GPU's. |
I won't use any of the tech or game support for it, I loathe that kind of thing. I have enough vision problems without it.
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"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon. It has ruined more good movies than I care to mention, and I shudder to think about it coming to games as a natively supported feature. I'm not just against this because it craps all over image quality and makes me cross-eyed. I'm against this because I hate the technology on principle and would hate to see it proliferated any further.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon. It has ruined more good movies than I care to mention, and I shudder to think about it coming to games as a natively supported feature. I'm not just against this because it craps all over image quality and makes me cross-eyed. I'm against this because I hate the technology on principle and would hate to see it proliferated any further.
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Indeed.
Until there is such technology which actually doesn't require eye bending/breaking 'tricks', there's no point. We don't NEED 3d. The game already IS 3d.
I don't know if you can do it in this game, but in many others which have a 1st person view, you can alter the field of vision percentage.
Keep fiddling with that until you're happy. But keep 3d out of a flat-screen vision game.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon. It has ruined more good movies than I care to mention, and I shudder to think about it coming to games as a natively supported feature. I'm not just against this because it craps all over image quality and makes me cross-eyed. I'm against this because I hate the technology on principle and would hate to see it proliferated any further.
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Indeed.
Until there is such technology which actually doesn't require eye bending/breaking 'tricks', there's no point. We don't NEED 3d. The game already IS 3d.
I don't know if you can do it in this game, but in many others which have a 1st person view, you can alter the field of vision percentage.
Keep fiddling with that until you're happy. But keep 3d out of a flat-screen vision game.
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It's possible that future games might pursue going "3D" natively.
But given the age of this game I highly doubt it'll ever be seriously considered here. *shrugs*
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I've had an iZ3D monitor for about a year now... the 3D was cool for a few minutes, but it really wasn't worth the effort overall.
Nice frame rate drop when you start rendering every image twice, too!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon. It has ruined more good movies than I care to mention, and I shudder to think about it coming to games as a natively supported feature. I'm not just against this because it craps all over image quality and makes me cross-eyed. I'm against this because I hate the technology on principle and would hate to see it proliferated any further.
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If you want "3D" then stick your face up against your monitor. If you have no real world reference points then the entire game will look 3D (because it is). It's probable easier on your eyes too. Objects popping out of the screen is a gimmick to entertain children in Disney theater "rides." The technology should have stopped there IMO.
*shrug* I actually went into the Nvidia control panel and enabled 3D in a few games, including CoH (NVidia can create a 3D filter in any game, but it varies in quality and has those awful cellophane glasses) Just to check it out.
Hurt my eyes, reduced the frame-rate and image quality, didn't add that much to the game. Wasn't worth the migraine.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon.
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There, done!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon. It has ruined more good movies than I care to mention, and I shudder to think about it coming to games as a natively supported feature. I'm not just against this because it craps all over image quality and makes me cross-eyed. I'm against this because I hate the technology on principle and would hate to see it proliferated any further.
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3D will eventually be standard (without the need for glasses) and everyone will wonder how we watched anything without it AND what on earth we were all smoking when people of our generations were against it.
Most new technologies suffer growing pains. It takes a few generations for the kinks to be worked out. Look at LCD screens. I can remember a time when no gamer in their right mind would use an LCD monitor because the refresh rates were so abysmally low. Now they're standard on pretty much every single piece of technology with a screen.
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Well, the only real problem with 3D, that I see, is that people can't seem to get past the 3D gag reflex. By this I mean intentionally shoving things in your face because "Ohhhhh, look! 3D!" The only movie to avoid this was Avatar, which just shot a movie that happened to be 3D and it looked great. All other movies rely on gags that aren't necessary.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon. It has ruined more good movies than I care to mention, and I shudder to think about it coming to games as a natively supported feature. I'm not just against this because it craps all over image quality and makes me cross-eyed. I'm against this because I hate the technology on principle and would hate to see it proliferated any further.
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It's possible. Though I think the over-stimulation of the average human will eventually come to pass. Some combination of "smell-o-vision" (just a freakish example), 3D, and other bizarre ways to enhance the various idiot box stimulation we all enjoy will eventually push people to turns off all of those options and enjoy the simplicity of simple sound and 2D sight. |
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3D will eventually be standard (without the need for glasses) and everyone will wonder how we watched anything without it AND what on earth we were all smoking when people of our generations were against it.
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I may be wrong, but I'd certainly fall into that category. I like to be aware of other things going on in the house/world while I'm also playing games. Multi-tasking becomes a chore when one is so plugged into one particular thing that everything else becomes hard to train your mind onto. That already happens to me with certain games that are fast paced and graphic intensive.
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Well, the only real problem with 3D, that I see, is that people can't seem to get past the 3D gag reflex. By this I mean intentionally shoving things in your face because "Ohhhhh, look! 3D!" The only movie to avoid this was Avatar, which just shot a movie that happened to be 3D and it looked great. All other movies rely on gags that aren't necessary.
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Amazing 3D is Avatar. That was done right. The scenery around the edge was popping out, but the stuff in the middle (characters and whatnot) was just there. It really contributed to a sense of actually "being there." I felt like I was on Pandora, and if I could have just ignored the anti-technology agenda of the movie, I'd have to say it was the best thing I've seen in years.
Bad 3d is "Big gimmick in your face!"
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What "good" movies? I've seen a bunch of bad movies with bad 3d, and then some animated stuff which was fine with passable 3d and Avatar, a mediocre movie with amazing 3d...i cant think of a single good movie dragged down by 3d.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon. It has ruined more good movies than I care to mention, and I shudder to think about it coming to games as a natively supported feature. I'm not just against this because it craps all over image quality and makes me cross-eyed. I'm against this because I hate the technology on principle and would hate to see it proliferated any further.
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shouldn't it be 4D as it actually involves motion and therefore a timeline? 3D would just be a Magic Eye poster
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Originally Posted by Zaion
the entire game will look 3D (because it is).
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Hey,
I'm just curious to know if the game will go 3d any time soon. I did a search amongst the forums and didnt come up with anything, or perhaps I am just in the wrong place.
I am liking some games, NWN2, DDO but Champions and STO not so much. In the first two if you ramp up the slider its like watching the Starwars battle chess game, only way clearer.
Sometimes it feels like the game is already in 3d, I think it would only add to it?