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Originally Posted by Duncan_Frost View Post
There is no such thing as true 3D in games or movies yet. Maybe sometime in the future. All we have is some fancy technology that tricks our eyes into thinking we are seeing 2D objects in a 3D fashion.
Technically, your eyes see *everything* in 2D. There are no 3D objects in the images on the back of your eyeball. Your brain interprets those images as glimpses of a 3D environment. It does so in the same way regardless of whether the images come from actual 3D objects or a program on a 2D screen, so it makes no real sense to call one "real 3D" and the other not.




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Originally Posted by Silver Gale View Post
Technically, your eyes see *everything* in 2D. There are no 3D objects in the images on the back of your eyeball. Your brain interprets those images as glimpses of a 3D environment. It does so in the same way regardless of whether the images come from actual 3D objects or a program on a 2D screen, so it makes no real sense to call one "real 3D" and the other not.
Well, that solves that debate! As far as eyesight is concerned, the only difference between 3D technology and 3D reality is that 3D reality can actually gouge your eye out.


 

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Technically, your eyes see *everything* in 2D. There are no 3D objects in the images on the back of your eyeball. Your brain interprets those images as glimpses of a 3D environment. It does so in the same way regardless of whether the images come from actual 3D objects or a program on a 2D screen, so it makes no real sense to call one "real 3D" and the other not.
From my understanding when your eyes see out the window they both process from different angles and add depth. The computer screen does not look different to either eye so it has no perceived depth. The "real 3D" images forces both eyes to see form a slightly off angle, this causes your brain to render depth and makes those who can experience go "Ohhh whoah it's all 3D and stuff man" and eveyrone who can't to go "Why the **** is my picture all messed up?".


 

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From my understanding when your eyes see out the window they both process from different angles and add depth. The computer screen does not look different to either eye so it has no perceived depth.
It is very easy to check how the computer screen looks like to either eye. Close one eye. Then close the other.

Plus, there's all kind of ways that the human brain uses to figure out depth, and current 3D graphics depend on them. If you park your character in Atlas, zoom out the camera as far as it goes and rotate it so that a Hellion is in the foreground, your first instinct is "this is a 3D scene that shows a Hellion in the foreground and my character in the background", not "this is a flat picture of a giant Hellion right next to my character!".

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The "real 3D" images forces both eyes to see form a slightly off angle, this causes your brain to render depth and makes those who can experience go "Ohhh whoah it's all 3D and stuff man" and eveyrone who can't to go "Why the **** is my picture all messed up?".
Pretty much, yeah.




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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
"3D" needs to die in a fire, and soon. It has ruined more good movies than I care to mention, and I shudder to think about it coming to games as a natively supported feature. I'm not just against this because it craps all over image quality and makes me cross-eyed. I'm against this because I hate the technology on principle and would hate to see it proliferated any further.
Name one movie that has come out in 3D and [i]only[/[i] in 3D please. (Besides Captain EO or any movies exclusive to a theme park.)

This is the rediculous part of this argument, any movie that comes in 3d, comes in a 2d version. I know, because I'm a fan of the 3d but more often than not if I go with my GF I have to settle for the 2D version.

3D doesn't ruin movies, it's an option, like having popcorn. See the 2D version if you must, but quit complaining that an additional version for those of us who like it, some how ruins the movie as a whole.

I guarantee you that if games do go native 3D, they will have options to turn it off as well. No one is forcing 3D on you.


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From my understanding when your eyes see out the window they both process from different angles and add depth. The computer screen does not look different to either eye so it has no perceived depth. The "real 3D" images forces both eyes to see form a slightly off angle, this causes your brain to render depth and makes those who can experience go "Ohhh whoah it's all 3D and stuff man" and eveyrone who can't to go "Why the **** is my picture all messed up?".
Yes, and for all the hype about 3D being this new high tech thing it's really not.

You're right, it's essentially an optical illusion. By showing something from the different perspectives, slightly different angles, it tricks your brain into smooshing the two images together and seeing "depth" where it's really just 2 different 2d Images that are very similar.

I had a geology class a few years back where we had a sky view of LA (I think it was LA) in an area where there were lots of hills and a little canyon. The picture was on the left page, and a picture of the same area, from a slightly different angle, on the right page.

The teacher gave us these weird sort of glasses, with lenses at slightly different angles, and had us look down through the glasses at the two pictures, side by side. The glasses weren't electronic, they just had little stands to prop them a certain height of the page. Looking through the glasses, the canyons and hills of the area we were looking at, seemed to pop off the page.

It was just an optical illusion, the difference in angles gave the brain a little more info on the "depth" of picture, and the brain used that to make it seem like a 3d image. That's all it is, the new 3d stuff does the same thing, it just does it with electronic images and glasses that tint the lenses rapidly and a few other tricks.


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The type of pictures you are talking about are called stereoscopic. They've been around for over 150 years and just like 'modern' 3D movies, they were called the future of photography. The fact that most people today have no idea what it is should tell you the fate of the 3d movies of today. Until there is a way to show 3D without the need for glasses or any other device that must be worn, 3D will remain a gimmick.

I wont even get into how writers and directors use it for cheap ooohs and ahhhhs in place of quality story telling.


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