Best incarnate AoE toon that has status protection.


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I want to make a new toon.

What Toon would be the best with

AoE

Status protection

Great incarnate potential

Will be a lvl 50 toon only.

Looking for out of the box suggestions.


 

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Claws/Regen scrapper


 

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Originally Posted by Xinner View Post
I want to make a new toon.

What Toon would be the best with

AoE

Status protection

Great incarnate potential

Will be a lvl 50 toon only.

Looking for out of the box suggestions.
i'd suggest Crab Spider VEAT, but i'm afraid that it's solidly in the box, so i guess right now i don't have a suggestion. Still, it's fun on ITFs to just hover over Rommy and wait for him to get back up instead of running for cover.


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Spines/DA Scrapper, or Spines/Fire Scrapper


 

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Super Strength/Fire Brute.

Fire/Psi/Fire permadom

Fire/Shield Scrapper


 

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Thanks for the great suggestions so far. But if you could include which incarnate power would benefit each build. I still cant get my head around incarnates yet.


 

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All you need to know about the Alpha slot is that they are global enhancements with a major benefit to endurance, recharge, damage, or accuracy and a bunch of minor benefits. The main problem is that two people with the same powersets can pick completely different alpha enhancements. There is also the possibility of going for two or more alpha enhancements since one alpha enhancement is good for solo while the other is good for teams.


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Widow with spiritual slot for recharge for easy perma Mind Link would be my candidate (of 50s I have).


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Widow with spiritual slot for recharge for easy perma Mind Link would be my candidate (of 50s I have).
Widows sound appealing. What aoe's should a widow take?


 

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Widows sound appealing. What aoe's should a widow take?
Dart burst has AoE and -regen. Spin is a good PbAoE attack with good damage. Psychic scream is a decent ranged cone power that features -recharge. Eviscerate is a longer animating attack but it is a cone (kinda narrow) that can hit numerous targets. Soul tentacles and dark obliteration are two other targetted AoE powers you can take from the patron powers.

I was thinking when I first read this about the AoE buffs for the team, too. Tactical training: manuvers, tactical training: assault, tactical training leadership, mind link, smoke grenade, which are tremendous benefits to a team.


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Widow is easy enough to get perma-ML that I wouldn't base it around a recharge incarnate, just an opinion though.

As far as actually playing a widow, it plays exactly like a claws character with buffs. Seeing as how you're going to have a high recharge build for mind-link (that's what you bring to teams over Crabs/Bane) - Spin is gonna be on such a short cooldown it's likely the only AoE you need. You could opt for the Poison Dart AoE if you really want, but it's largely unessicary, unless you specifically want the -regen from it. It's cone is abit finkey and it's dmg is inferior to Spin. That being said, you could all but spam it if you really wanted to. You'd be missing out on alot of the widow's dmg potential though, plays alot like a claws stalker/buffer/w/semi-ok AoE.

I for one, certainly wouldn't cateogorize it as one of the stronger AoE characters.

The spines/da suggestion isn't exactly uncommon, but it's undoubtetly a stronger AoE toon with a large investment, and could get ooodles and ooodles of benifit from Cardiac oriented Alpha junk. You may think you have played an endurance hog character, but untill you've played spines/DA, you really haven't. Well, almost anything /DA is a real pain.

It's a shame you put "with status protection" in your guidelines, you're limiting yourself from some really cool combos with some nice potential

Fire/Thorn Dom (Mmm Domiblapper?) - The MFing Warshade (Incarnate usefulness remains to be seen, but it's a hell of a toon) - ELM/Nin Stalker and so-on.. though the stalker does have mez prot.

In the end of the day, it's just opinion, like everyone elses suggestions.. therefor subject to numerical arguement, personal opinion, and folks with greater experience than I. My old account had a pretty geared Widow and I never once questioned what I brought to a team in terms of buffs and dmg.. It's a solid class and with multi specs you can work up a fort for a mini-troller/blaster. If you do go the dual spec way, the recharge is abit harder for the fort to perma ML.

Take it with a grain of salt, and happy hunting!


 

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You might consider a Fire/Traps corruptor, with a Spiritual (recharge) Alpha. Great debuffs, mez protection and defense bubble, and excellent ST and AOE dmg.


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What about a Stone/Dark Brute? Lots of mitigation, solid AoE damage, and generally very hard to kill once IOed out. You can go either Spiritual for more recharge or Cardiac for more endurance, depending on what you need.

Another possibility would be a Fire/Traps Corruptor. Build for softcapped ranged defense and grab some extra recharge from your Incarnate slot, which will particularly benefit your AoEs since a lot of the good sets for those don't cap recharge. Multiple Acid Mortars and perma-Poison Trap debuff really do a number on hard targets, and nothing beats Fire for burning down hordes of minions.

Though if you want something that would really benefit from the Incarnate slot, what about a tri-form Warshade? Those tend to be tight builds so you could use your Incarnate slot to make up for under-slotting damage or recharge.


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SS/Elec and SS/Fire Brutes are both great options for spiritual alpha.


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SS/Elec and SS/Fire Brutes are both great options for spiritual alpha.
I have made several ss brutes in the past. But i cant stand rage long enough to get to the awesome foot stomp. Is it worth it?


 

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SS/Elec and SS/Fire Brutes are both great options for spiritual alpha.
Yeah, i got my SS/fire/mu with spirit radial. Its awesome, heals 794 hp every 12 or so seconds and has really great AoE, generally able to kill stuff before it kill him. Im honesly supprised by how good he is doing. As all i did on this guy before now was fire AE.
As far as out of the box though. . .not too great unless you wanna cheat and use AE to level up.


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I have made several ss brutes in the past. But i cant stand rage long enough to get to the awesome foot stomp. Is it worth it?
If you can't stand rage, don't bother. It'll only get worse when you IO him out for more recharge and the rage crashes come more often. Some people are fine with it. I stopped playing my SS/FA Brute just because I can't stand the rage crash.


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Electric Melee/Shield Defense Scrapper, because very few can obtain the level of AoE destruction that one of those can. Fire/Shield is a close second with way better single target dps, not to mention how god like /Shield can become.


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Electric Melee/Shield Defense Scrapper, because very few can obtain the level of AoE destruction that one of those can. Fire/Shield is a close second with way better single target dps, not to mention how god like /Shield can become.
I have one of those.

But i kinda dislike having to use the mouse to activate lightening rod and shield charge.

What would be a better incarnate power for it? +damage or +recharge?

Would the recharge get those two aoes to be up every mob?


 

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Widow with spiritual slot for recharge for easy perma Mind Link would be my candidate (of 50s I have).
Even without the Alpha ML is not too tough to perma on a night widow. As for melee AEs, widow's have spin and eviscerate (which is a 90 degree cone), once you are able to get hasten and some recharge in the build it's easy to spam BU/spin/eviscerate/repeat.

Widow's are solid choices, but I'd suggest something a little more robust if you are hellbent on making an AE toon... esp if running x8 maps with bosses. Widows are a low hitpoint AT with mostly positional defenses to keep them kicking, the more mobs you are engaging the more likely you are going to get hit (even if at the magical "softcap"). Widows have scaling resists but they don't kick in until lower than 50% health, so you can be at 60% health (which on a widow that is slotting for hp bonuses + accolades will leave you at @ 900 hps) and a KoA boss can get in a lucky shot with headsplitter and send you to the hospital...

Personally, I'd go with a brute or scrapper in as some of the above posters have suggested. Again, widows are great at AEing but aren't as sturdy as some of the other choices available.


 

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Widow with spiritual slot for recharge for easy perma Mind Link would be my candidate (of 50s I have).
Why would Mind Link benefit from the +RCH from Spiritual, if the power itself doesn't take RCH enhancements?


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Personally I think a shield superstrength tanker would be good. I say this cause my fifty shield superstrength fire epic has three good aoe powers purpled out and high on recharge mods with against all odds and rage puts u near the Dmg cap I would slot spiritual for more stomp shield charge action or cardiac. Otherwise fire kins are good and u could get the psychic epic for mezz protection. BTW the more u stomp and charge the more they flop around so it acts as some good defense to have a good offense.


 

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Why would Mind Link benefit from the +RCH from Spiritual, if the power itself doesn't take RCH enhancements?
It takes +rech from multi-bonus IOs, though. I'm really really curious as to whether it's affected by Alpha +rech.


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It takes +rech from multi-bonus IOs, though. I'm really really curious as to whether it's affected by Alpha +rech.
My gut says that since Alpha slot bonuses only seem to apply their effect on powers that could normally slot that effect, Mind Link would not benefit from a Spiritual Alpha slot.


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It takes +rech from multi-bonus IOs, though. I'm really really curious as to whether it's affected by Alpha +rech.
According to a dev post, Alpha slot enhancements specifically do not apply to powers that can't be slotted with that enhancement type. So no boosting recharge on powers that can't be slotted for recharge normally.


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