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Yeah okay I can see being overwhelmed but simply not replying is very good at sending a message of "No". I again don't see this sending of tells to be such a devastating occurrence.|
Originally Posted by ketch
I think this hits the nail on the head. It's not about the individual incident. It's about what happens when everyone starts doing it. You become inundate with sg offers that you simply don't want.
Also, if I receive a tell from someone looking for teammates it can be annoying if a.) my flag is not set as lft b.) I have not broadcast lft, and most importantly c.) when I am explicitly flagged as NOT lft. When sending out team invites I always follow the courtesy of asking only folks that have broadcast lft or are flagged as lft. In both cases, I send a tell first. |
And to reply about the teaming:
Lots of people generally forget to flag it for "Looking for etc...", although I certainly don't send tells for teams to those who are Red in the search.
I personally think a tell is far more polite than no tell at all.
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That is my whole take on this. I mean lets get real. How can you make a successful SG by recruiting only long-known friends.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
I personally think a tell is far more polite than no tell at all.
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In...polite...
Not polite... but... INpolite!! 
Haha 
Sorry, just popped into my mind (in reference to the infamous bit).
(It's impolite)
Anyways, haha...
Since you posted this and ask the open forum here...
I honestly thought you were the one receiving the tell and calling the teller the rude one... And I was right on the same page as that.
So... No. In my opinion, you were impolite.
If you really want to send tells to recruit (No, that is not an inherently rude thing to do) I'd prefer some actual friendly, politeness...
I don't understand why people are without any politeness with tells.
Hi there! Pardon me, I don't mean to bother you, but I was wondering if you're looking for a good SG to join
Feel free to say things in your own ways, but I generally like to say Hello to people and either make sure they're interested or apologize if I just assume so.
When they replied that they have an SG already... You just explained your excuse for not knowing that before sending the tell. Instead, try saying "I'm sorry..." and then explain, if you wish. And, why not type out "before" instead of b4? Is it really that difficult? Not everyone meshes well with that style of typing, so it doesn't do you much benefit.
Also... Many people prefer to join SG's based on some knowledge and experience with the people involved. Just up and joining any old SG that sends invites to unknown players can be a big turn off for them.
You don't know if they have similar interests at all.
Seriously, what you posted is you doing wrong, not the other person.
The other person was having a bit of fun with it, in calling out the problems of that recruitment method. They may not have been as nice as could be, but I didn't see anything really wrong.
Best of luck!
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They don't have to be long-known friends, but they should at least know you a *little* before you ask. Try talking to someone for 5 minutes and/or teaming with them and then sending a tell saying (for example):|
Originally Posted by Hot_Head_Mike
That is my whole take on this. I mean lets get real. How can you make a successful SG by recruiting only long-known friends.
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"Hey (whoever), I like your style, you seem like a good fit for our SG. (insert example of something they do that you like or find positive to butter them up) Interested? If so, I can send you some info?"
They may not say yes, but it beats the heck out of sending a tell to someone you've never met before and asking them to join something. You'll get better results, and people will be less likely to ignore/one-star/call you a spammer. And, it ensures you get quality people on your SG rather than cows on a prestige farm.
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How can you make a successful SG by randomly inviting players you know absolutely nothing about? It may not be your intention, but it certainly sends the message of someone who doesn't care about the kind of players in the SG, but only about getting as many members as possible to grind out prestige.|
Originally Posted by Hot_Head_Mike
That is my whole take on this. I mean lets get real. How can you make a successful SG by recruiting only long-known friends.
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Honestly, if I was looking for an SG, your recruiting tactics would steer me away from your group completely.
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Wait were is this Prestige Farm at? |
Originally Posted by Valerika
They don't have to be long-known friends, but they should at least know you a *little* before you ask. Try talking to someone for 5 minutes and/or teaming with them and then sending a tell saying (for example):
"Hey (whoever), I like your style, you seem like a good fit for our SG. (insert example of something they do that you like or find positive to butter them up) Interested? If so, I can send you some info?" They may not say yes, but it beats the heck out of sending a tell to someone you've never met before and asking them to join something. You'll get better results, and people will be less likely to ignore/one-star/call you a spammer. And, it ensures you get quality people on your SG rather than cows on a prestige farm. |
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And email spammers often point out that people getting the spam "just need to hit delete." The reason all of my characters are hidden from searches is that not responding DOES NOT WORK. If I don't reply, I usually get the invite again. (Since I clearly must have clicked Decline by mistake.) But hey, if you can't see how it's rude, then I don't need to explain why I tend to use /ignore rather than /reply on people who do that to me, either.
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Originally Posted by Hot_Head_Mike
Yeah okay I can see being overwhelmed but simply not replying is very good at sending a message of "No". I again don't see this sending of tells to be such a devastating occurrence.
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Originally Posted by Hot_Head_Mike
Wait were is this Prestige Farm at?
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If an SG isn't about friendship, helping each other out, doing things together, etc. I get bored pretty fast, and I feel used. Please don't do that to people--they'll remember it unfavorably. I don't think that's really what you want--you care enough about being socially correct that you asked about this incident on the forums, so I'm hoping you'll do the right thing.
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Originally Posted by Hot_Head_Mike
Wait were is this Prestige Farm at?
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Eh, I'll have to disagree. I got many friendly members who I've developed friendships with, and if someone who is a complete jerk is offending people, well then he or she is kicked. My system has brought prosperity and friendship. What else should I ask for?
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
How can you make a successful SG by randomly inviting players you know absolutely nothing about? It may not be your intention, but it certainly sends the message of someone who doesn't care about the kind of players in the SG, but only about getting as many members as possible to grind out prestige.
Honestly, if I was looking for an SG, your recruiting tactics would steer me away from your group completely. |
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
Honestly, if I was looking for an SG, your recruiting tactics would steer me away from your group completely.
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I don't personally like AE much
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
It's in the AE building, of course!
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Well thats someone else, I send the invite once, and only once. Not multiple times I consider THAT Spamming.
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Originally Posted by ShadowsBetween
And email spammers often point out that people getting the spam "just need to hit delete." The reason all of my characters are hidden from searches is that not responding DOES NOT WORK. If I don't reply, I usually get the invite again. (Since I clearly must have clicked Decline by mistake.) But hey, if you can't see how it's rude, then I don't need to explain why I tend to use /ignore rather than /reply on people who do that to me, either.
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(shrug) You were a jerk first in that exchange.|
Originally Posted by Hot_Head_Mike
I admit I got a bit out of hand with my responses but I just hate sarcastic jerks
Oh and also, who here calls asking someone to join your SG threw a tell 'Spamming'? |
And I certainly don't call it "spamming" when I receive *ONE* message from someone.
edit: On re-reading it, I'm not sure which messages are from the OP. Not that it really matters. Both were unpleasant.
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I see what your saying about giving a jolly ol' message but I've actually had people get annoyed by to much fluff. So I stick to the standard "Need a SG?" It states your intentions well enough from my perspective.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
In...polite...
Not polite... but... INpolite!! Haha Sorry, just popped into my mind (in reference to the infamous bit). (It's impolite) Anyways, haha... Since you posted this and ask the open forum here... I honestly thought you were the one receiving the tell and calling the teller the rude one... And I was right on the same page as that. So... No. In my opinion, you were impolite. If you really want to send tells to recruit (No, that is not an inherently rude thing to do) I'd prefer some actual friendly, politeness... I don't understand why people are without any politeness with tells. Hi there! Pardon me, I don't mean to bother you, but I was wondering if you're looking for a good SG to join Feel free to say things in your own ways, but I generally like to say Hello to people and either make sure they're interested or apologize if I just assume so. When they replied that they have an SG already... You just explained your excuse for not knowing that before sending the tell. Instead, try saying "I'm sorry..." and then explain, if you wish. And, why not type out "before" instead of b4? Is it really that difficult? Not everyone meshes well with that style of typing, so it doesn't do you much benefit. Also... Many people prefer to join SG's based on some knowledge and experience with the people involved. Just up and joining any old SG that sends invites to unknown players can be a big turn off for them. You don't know if they have similar interests at all. Seriously, what you posted is you doing wrong, not the other person. The other person was having a bit of fun with it, in calling out the problems of that recruitment method. They may not have been as nice as could be, but I didn't see anything really wrong. Best of luck! |
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
My discussion would've ended with the second line being "No thanks."
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I disagree, you see like I stated before I leave out the fluff because generally people prefer to get down to business instead of reading through tons of meaningless ice-breaking chatter. Although I am certainly glad you agree one message is not spamming |
Originally Posted by Ironblade
(shrug) You were a jerk first in that exchange.
And I certainly don't call it "spamming" when I receive *ONE* message from someone. edit: On re-reading it, I'm not sure which messages are from the OP. Not that it really matters. Both were unpleasant. |
To most people, asking folks out of the blue to join your SG is not wanted, whether you ask nicely or just blind invite them.
Why would you want to invite every person under level ten without even teaming with them once? You'll get much better responses if you just run a few missions with someone first, and then ask them if they'd like to join. Saves the trouble of inviting them and then having to boot half of them when they screw around. People are more likely to join you when they know what you're about first.
The respondent could have handled it a bit better, but it only escalated because you pushed it. Take their no and move on.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
Here is the way I look at it. I'm at a basketball court and just hanging out. Somebody comes up and says "We're getting together a pick up game. Want in?"
That is an invite to a team and I'm likely to say yes since I'm just looking for a game or two and I don't really care if they suck or not since it is just a game or two.
Scenario two. I'm at a basketball court and somebody walks up and says "Want to join my basketball team? We're in a league and even have jerseys made up."
This is like the blind invite to a supergroup only instead of saying league and jerseys they usually say bins and teleporters. And my response is the same which is "Why the hell would you ask me that when I've never even met you before this moment? You musts really suck to blindly invite somebody to join you for an indefinite period of time not even knowing if he knows how to dribble a ball without tripping over his own feet." Now I won't actually say that unless they press the issue but that's my instant emotional response.
Asking somebody to team is asking them to join you for a short time. Asking them to a super group is asking them to make a commitment for a long period of time to a person they have never met. Now if somebody asks me to join their sg after we've done a few missions together that's fine. I've gotten to know them enough to figure out if they are worth grouping with or are just looking for a prestige boost because nobody else wants to be in a group with them.
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I rarely have to kick anyone. That's the beauty of the tell. Most responders to them generally want a SG, and if your looking for one your probably not going to be screw up. The way you get all the people who 'Screw Around' is by sending mass invites with no tell. This is a practice I do not perform.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
To most people, asking folks out of the blue to join your SG is not wanted, whether you ask nicely or just blind invite them.
Why would you want to invite every person under level ten without even teaming with them once? You'll get much better responses if you just run a few missions with someone first, and then ask them if they'd like to join. Saves the trouble of inviting them and then having to boot half of them when they screw around. People are more likely to join you when they know what you're about first. The respondent could have handled it a bit better, but it only escalated because you pushed it. Take their no and move on. |
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Originally Posted by Mandu
Here is the way I look at it. I'm at a basketball court and just hanging out. Somebody comes up and says "We're getting together a pick up game. Want in?"
That is an invite to a team and I'm likely to say yes since I'm just looking for a game or two and I don't really care if they suck or not since it is just a game or two. Scenario two. I'm at a basketball court and somebody walks up and says "Want to join my basketball team? We're in a league and even have jerseys made up." This is like the blind invite to a supergroup only instead of saying league and jerseys they usually say bins and teleporters. And my response is the same which is "Why the hell would you ask me that when I've never even met you before this moment? You musts really suck to blindly invite somebody to join you for an indefinite period of time not even knowing if he knows how to dribble a ball without tripping over his own feet." Now I won't actually say that unless they press the issue but that's my instant emotional response. Asking somebody to team is asking them to join you for a short time. Asking them to a super group is asking them to make a commitment for a long period of time to a person they have never met. Now if somebody asks me to join their sg after we've done a few missions together that's fine. I've gotten to know them enough to figure out if they are worth grouping with or are just looking for a prestige boost because nobody else wants to be in a group with them. |
Normally I find myself running missions with the new recruits after the initial recruitment, this is the time in which we talk, team, discuss SG policies and such. Of course I still do ask people to join if I notice there SGless and I'm teamed with them.
SG isn't to much of a commitment. If you don't like it. Quit. That's how it works you don't have to go through any 'SG Divorce Court' you just leave. Simple.
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You're still arguing over the definition, and not the intent. Spamming is a verb, and when people say that you're spamming, they generally mean you're rapidly sending out useless information. (Repeating the same thing in chat twenty five times.) However, it can also mean "the act of sending out spam."|
Originally Posted by Hot_Head_Mike
Although I am certainly glad you agree one message is not spamming
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Spam is a noun, and in this case is being used to refer to "an unsolicited and undesired communication." (It's also a potted meat product, sort of like a giant hot dog in a can, but that's not the definition we're dealing with here.) In this game, a spam is any tell, invite, or email that a person didn't want to receive.
When you send out a wave of blind invites to characters you've never met, you are spamming them. In the same way that an email junkmailer is spamming people when they send out a thousand spam mails, even though each target only sees one of those.
And part of the reason you have a hard time keeping your SG "full" is the way you're inviting people. You try to recruit anything with a pulse. Many of those people that do join will look around, decide they don't like what they see, and quit. You *will* have better results if you stick to people that you've actually met in-game. Really, WHY would you want to invite random people you've never met?
But what you're not seeing here is, you're not the only one who does this. There are others out there doing pretty much the same thing. After a while, all those 'single' instances blend together and become... say it with me... SPAM. And it no longer matters to the 'spammee', so to speak, that this was the first and only time YOU, personally, did it.
That's probably where the guy was coming from.
Also, if I receive a tell from someone looking for teammates it can be annoying if a.) my flag is not set as lft b.) I have not broadcast lft, and most importantly c.) when I am explicitly flagged as NOT lft. When sending out team invites I always follow the courtesy of asking only folks that have broadcast lft or are flagged as lft. In both cases, I send a tell first.