Discussion: Issue 19 News Coverage on Massively!
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Posted on: 2010-11-15 18:40 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Originally Posted by Diggis
How long has this been known?! I thought below 50 you were SOL |
So our 'judgement AoE' abilities that we get in the Incarnate system will work when exemp'ed down but not the alpha slot (and/or any other slots we have at that point)? O_o
Seems a bit off....but oh well....
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Black Scorpion in Closed Beta specifically stated that you lose your Incarnate Abilities below 50 (at the time, they persisted as low as level 39, which was labeled a bug). Currently on Beta, the Alpha Ability is present at level 45, but not at 39. I haven't tested the levels in between.|
Originally Posted by Diggis
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So, Black Scorpion and Tim Sweeney need to get their act together and come up with a straight answer.*
*They're the same person.
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I would be very excited to hear we would get access to Incarnate as low as L45. *Hoping this is correct*
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I'm sure the design limitations would cause a whole re-write of the Super Sidekicking system, since it grants the powers that are +5 to your level, assuming you aren't at a higher difficulty. It's also something that I'm not inclined to wait on, since I'd much rather just have bugs that matter worked out.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Black Scorpion in Closed Beta specifically stated that you lose your Incarnate Abilities below 50 (at the time, they persisted as low as level 39, which was labeled a bug). Currently on Beta, the Alpha Ability is present at level 45, but not at 39. I haven't tested the levels in between.
So, Black Scorpion and Tim Sweeney need to get their act together and come up with a straight answer.* *They're the same person. |
Not to be the self-centered slime ball, but I don't care about how the HEATs and Doms feel about losing a power or two. (Especially since the Dom one is probably related to a dialog change, since the power description was still very villainous on heroside. Perhaps taking it off the bar then adding it back to power tray from the power menu will fix it?) My VEAT works just fine and that's all that matters to me. :P
They would probably have to majorly revamp the new exemplar code that lets you keep abilities up to 5 levels over your exemplar level to make Incarnate abillities vanish the instant you went under level 50, so level 45 makes a lot of sense to me. It uses existing tech without modification, which is always going to be easier than having to create a new system or modifying an existing one.
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It's almost like when they are doing beta testing they are adjusting things to make the game more enjoyable before they go live!
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Black Scorpion in Closed Beta specifically stated that you lose your Incarnate Abilities below 50 (at the time, they persisted as low as level 39, which was labeled a bug). Currently on Beta, the Alpha Ability is present at level 45, but not at 39. I haven't tested the levels in between.
So, Black Scorpion and Tim Sweeney need to get their act together and come up with a straight answer.* *They're the same person. |
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I had heard the same about them being lost below 50. And thanks for pointing out they are the same person, I didn't know that. Funny.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Black Scorpion in Closed Beta specifically stated that you lose your Incarnate Abilities below 50 (at the time, they persisted as low as level 39, which was labeled a bug). Currently on Beta, the Alpha Ability is present at level 45, but not at 39. I haven't tested the levels in between.
So, Black Scorpion and Tim Sweeney need to get their act together and come up with a straight answer.* *They're the same person. |
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Originally Posted by galadiman
I would be very excited to hear we would get access to Incarnate as low as L45. *Hoping this is correct*
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Tim Sweeney: Incarnate Abilities become inaccessible below level 45 -- the Well of the Furies only sends its energies towards those who are operating at or near the peak limits of their capabilities. Some Incarnate components may be earned at the lower-levels for particular tasks (for instance, the Imperious Task Force will award a component even if completed at lower than level 45), but it is not typical. The Well tends to reward only those who push the boundaries. Non-Incarnate Ability rewards will be accessible at all levels, however. |
Except Purples? Or am I misreading something here?
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Aside from them dropping... when slotted aren't purple bonuses applied no matter what level you exemplar to?
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Except Purples? Or am I misreading something here?
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So I am misreading, I thought he was just referring to drops?
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Aside from them dropping... when slotted aren't purple bonuses applied no matter what level you exemplar to?
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Ahh, he started that passage talking about the abilities and then went on to talk about the rewards. I guess that all drops will remain as per live with the addition of the Incarnate components.
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
So I am misreading, I thought he was just referring to drops?
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I don't think that is what will happen, considering this has all been advertised "end-game" content i.e. once you've reached 50, while there is plenty of stuff still there to do (unfinished task forces, plenty of 45-50 arcs, AE content never gets "out-leveled"), there is really no forward progress in terms of "becoming a greater hero." (Excluding IO sets, but the Devs have always advertised IOs as an optional part of the game in which someone should not feel they have to participate in order to be super.)|
Originally Posted by galadiman
I would be very excited to hear we would get access to Incarnate as low as L45. *Hoping this is correct*
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What I believe they meant is that once a lvl 50 character unlocks the Alpha Slot and gets an ability in there, and then they exemp down, the player can exemp as far down as 45 without losing their Incarnate abilities, similar to how IO set bonuses disappear when you exemp down more than three levels below the level of the enhancement. However, I do not think we'll get access to incarnate content until level 50.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
It's almost like when they are doing beta testing they are adjusting things to make the game more enjoyable before they go live!
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Ahh, thats how I read the quoted text and agree. I can't see it being allowed to be opened at 50, defies the point, but allowing it to exemplar could be fun.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
I don't think that is what will happen, considering this has all been advertised "end-game" content i.e. once you've reached 50, while there is plenty of stuff still there to do (unfinished task forces, plenty of 45-50 arcs, AE content never gets "out-leveled"), there is really no forward progress in terms of "becoming a greater hero." (Excluding IO sets, but the Devs have always advertised IOs as an optional part of the game in which someone should not feel they have to participate in order to be super.)
What I believe they meant is that once a lvl 50 character unlocks the Alpha Slot and gets an ability in there, and then they exemp down, the player can exemp as far down as 45 without losing their Incarnate abilities, similar to how IO set bonuses disappear when you exemp down more than three levels below the level of the enhancement. However, I do not think we'll get access to incarnate content until level 50. |
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The devs can change their minds. However, if there are "no plans" to add enhancement slots now, even if someone changed their minds tomorrow there's essentially zero chance of them showing up in I19. Such fundamental changes to character powers would probably have to run a pretty significant internal gauntlet of discussion and testing.
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Originally Posted by GMan3
Though I agree with you WHF, you have to admit that there has been many things that has been stated was "never going to happen", "not planned", or "not being looked at right now" that ended up happening, and with very little notice in all. I take pretty much anything Devs say on that front with a good degree of skepticism nowadays.
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I wasn't saying it will go live with Issue 19, just that I am not at all certain it won't happen.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The devs can change their minds. However, if there are "no plans" to add enhancement slots now, even if someone changed their minds tomorrow there's essentially zero chance of them showing up in I19. Such fundamental changes to character powers would probably have to run a pretty significant internal gauntlet of discussion and testing.
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Am I going mad or has the content of the interview on Massively! changed since yesterday?
Pretty sure I started reading yesterday an interview with the Devs and yet, today, I'm seeing a beta run of the Apex TF :s
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There were two articles. One was the interview with the devs, the other was a beta run of the ATF. |
Originally Posted by The_Fish
Am I going mad or has the content of the interview on Massively! changed since yesterday?
Pretty sure I started reading yesterday an interview with the Devs and yet, today, I'm seeing a beta run of the Apex TF :s |
So, no you're not going mad, and both yes and no to the content of the interview changing. The dev interview is still there, it's just on a different page.
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Originally Posted by GMan3
I wasn't saying it will go live with Issue 19, just that I am not at all certain it won't happen.
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Of course, players tend to mark time with stop watches, and the devs tend to mark time with the color of the leaves on the trees.
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I have to completely agree with you there.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Given enough time, anything is theoretically possible. For some value of "enough time."
Of course, players tend to mark time with stop watches, and the devs tend to mark time with the color of the leaves on the trees. |
Tim Sweeney: Incarnate Abilities become inaccessible below level 45 -- the Well of the Furies only sends its energies towards those who are operating at or near the peak limits of their capabilities. Some Incarnate components may be earned at the lower-levels for particular tasks (for instance, the Imperious Task Force will award a component even if completed at lower than level 45), but it is not typical. The Well tends to reward only those who push the boundaries.
Non-Incarnate Ability rewards will be accessible at all levels, however.
How long has this been known?! I thought below 50 you were SOL