Mid's for I19 CRITICAL UPDATE

OK, here's an update to the original post, Diellan and I found a solution that should get rid of the below listing. Mid's I19 WILL support old (here after know as Legacy builds)

Heya

Thanks for the heads up

Luckily I have been doing this since inherent Fitness was announced - with 60-70 builds to work on I thought I better get in early.

Like you suggest I have just skipped the Fitness pool and any slots I would have spent in it are sitting in Brawl (I think) ready to move over when you brilliant guys get the I19 up and running.

I have also been advising my SG friends to do the same

Thanks again for the heads up and thanks for everyone at the Titan Network for their brilliant work!!

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thanks for the update

Nice heads up. i was planning to just keep 50+ old builds around for reference when making new post fitness builds, but maybe i'll just delete the directory and start over. Possibly i could find an older version of Mids' and install it elsewhere for reference access.

Of course it's my habit of generally redoing builds from scratch and just glancing at the old builds for reference that's causing the issue in the first place.

*Hides in mids* *Wonders how long this will take with about 25 builds*

Ick.

I have 40-50 different builds saved for various characters. I wasn't planning to respec all of them right away.

First, let me thank you for your efforts. A lot.

Second, is there really no better way to handle this? I have tons of builds that I keep for every character for reference purposes. It doesn't make any sense to do what you're saying to those builds. This approach means that there's no way I can use the new version of Mid's to open those prior builds. I'll have to keep an old copy, and any time I happen to double click on one of those old builds, it'll load in the new Mids and fail. While I truly appreciate your efforts, that's a pretty sucky situation to face as a heavy user of the program.

It's hard to knock software that does as much as Mid's builder does when it's free, but I really wish you could do something other than offer us this work-around. I'm afraid it's not that helpful.

I plan to keep pre-I19 Mids and its builds in a separate directory from the I19 Mids.

When I respec, I just don't move things around in a build -- that gets sloppy... I need to make sure it's built right from the start. So, when I respec, I'll be opening up Old Mids and New Mids side by side and using the old as a reference as I rebuild in the new.

There. No need to convert.

Why not add some error handling logic that addresses this particular error?

You're probably rushed what with the new staff, but it would be worth it.

Thank you very much for the heads up (And, once again, for working on Mid's!!)!

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Originally Posted by Zombie Man I plan to keep pre-I19 Mids and its builds in a separate directory from the I19 Mids. When I respec, I just don't move things around in a build -- that gets sloppy... I need to make sure it's built right from the start. So, when I respec, I'll be opening up Old Mids and New Mids side by side and using the old as a reference as I rebuild in the new. There. No need to convert.

Yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking I'd do.
I'll probably port over a few, to get me started, but everything will be in two different folders/directories.

Not much of a problem really.
Maybe, down the road, an updated Mid's will be able to handle old/pre-I19 builds with Fitness Pool.

why can't it just be made to be selected upon character creation? don't get me wrong, i appriciate you guys working on mids, but as another person who has over 50 builds already saved it would take a while for me to change all of them.

again, thank you for working on mids.

Hah! I've been doing this since the Fitness pool becoming an inherant was announced!

I really believe we can take care of this in a less painful way. I'll probably look into it tomorrow. (If you can fix it manually, you can fix it with code.)

While I understand that making a post I19 version work with both old and new data files may be to difficult it seems to me that your proposed workaround is really bad - because it results in a character build file that is absolutely no good. It won't reflect what the character currently looks like, so using it to plan future levels won't do you any good, and it won't reflect what the character would look like after dropping the fitness pool via a respec. The primary reason I would have for opening up a pre-i19 build would be for characters that picked up the fitness pool before i19, are still leveling and don't want to respec right away. Hacking my build file and then using a version of mids that DOESN'T accurately reflect my characters build is uselss to me in this case.

It seems to me that a far better workaround would be to recommend keeping both an old version of mids and a new one installed and walking folks through setting up different save file paths for each copy - that way people can move their old, pre-i19 builds to a different directory or set up the new version of mids to use a fresh directory, then use either version of mids depending on whether they wanted to edit a pre- or post- i19 build. If you put up an set of instructions on how to do this on the mids web page AND kept a copy of the old version available you would solve a lot of problems ahead of time. This workaround has the advantage of NOT screwing over someone who updated MIDS without realizing that their old data files would be unreadable - they could just download the old version and install that along with the new version.

Whatever you do you should definitely add a warning to the upgrade prompt if possible - letting folks automatically update to a new version without first warning them that their old data files will be unreadable is a truly bad idea.

Well, let me put it straight:

I18 Mids builds will load perfectly fine in I19 Mids. It'll take a bit of work between Energy Aura, DeProgrammer, and myself, but even if it means that I19 Mids will be late, that's what'll happen. High priority for me.

Mids builds saved with the unofficial patch have no guarantees. I'll look into it, but it might not work.

Thanks for the heads up, but I think I'll just write down my 2 important ones on paper (out of 160 something) and just let the rest fade into oblivion. I don't have the patience to go mod that many files.