Kotaku comments on DOOOOM criers
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Alpha-One,
Posted on: 2010-10-26 17:39 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Fine, I'm done. I've expressed my point and used numbers to back it up. Please, continue to believe that PC gaming is the bright, vibrant beast that it once was and has no issues whatsoever affecting it.
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The last time I seriously touched my Xbox was when Reach came out. Jumped on to watch a DVD or two, and ran a quick race on Forza cause my buddy hates PC gaming, but other than that I spend all my time on PC. The games are better, and I much prefer a $500 system I can upgrade over time than a $500 one that'll only last a few years until the latest, greatest $700 replacement comes out.
As soon as I get a 360 controller for my PC, I'll have very little reason to keep my console or buy the "720" when it comes out. Since most 360 games that have piqued my interest are also available on PC. Those same games tend not to stress my computer nearly as much as they do my 360.
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I never said that. Nothing close. I said what I've always said:|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Fine, I'm done. I've expressed my point and used numbers to back it up. Please, continue to believe that PC gaming is the bright, vibrant beast that it once was and has no issues whatsoever affecting it.
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Even if it's not doing as well, that doesn't prove it's dying. Another platform doing better doesn't prove it's dying. Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove it's dying.
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No one was disputing that PC gaming isn't as abundant as it once was. That's not the same thing as "dead" though.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Fine, I'm done. I've expressed my point and used numbers to back it up. Please, continue to believe that PC gaming is the bright, vibrant beast that it once was and has no issues whatsoever affecting it.
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"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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No you didn't.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Fine, I'm done. I've expressed my point and used numbers to back it up.
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I wonder at which point the PC was a "bright, vibrant beast"? AFAIK consoles have always dominated the gaming market, but the PC has always provided niches the consoles couldn't (flight sims, RTSs, MMOs). And I'm of the opinion that mouse+keyboard is the best control scheme for FPSs, despite legions of Halo fans telling me I'm wrong.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Fine, I'm done. I've expressed my point and used numbers to back it up. Please, continue to believe that PC gaming is the bright, vibrant beast that it once was and has no issues whatsoever affecting it.
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Is PC gaming dying? Nope, it's just evolving, just like the consoles have been for all these years. Now, I'm gonna go to that corner over there and lament the death of flight simming...
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After the death of Atari, before the rise of Playstation.
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Originally Posted by Alpha-One
I wonder at which point the PC was a "bright, vibrant beast"?
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"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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So PC gaming's best days were when the NES, SNES and Genesis owned the market? At least back then the FPS and RTS genres were becoming PC staples and hadn't hit consoles yet, and flight and space sims were still in their prime.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
After the death of Atari, before the rise of Playstation.
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who cares if it's "dead" or not? as long as you can still play games on whatever platform you like, who gives a flying frak?
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Fine, I'm done. I've expressed my point and used numbers to back it up. Please, continue to believe that PC gaming is the bright, vibrant beast that it once was and has no issues whatsoever affecting it.
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While those were popular consoles, I don't recall them having the kind of sales, or the kind of variety of games that the PC markets had. After the death of Atari and the failure of anything to replace it, the PC market had years to build momentum and a headstart before consoles could offer much in the way of competition, much less superior software.|
Originally Posted by Alpha-One
So PC gaming's best days were when the NES, SNES and Genesis owned the market? At least back then the FPS and RTS genres were becoming PC staples and hadn't hit consoles yet, and flight and space sims were still in their prime.
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It wasn't until there were multiple consoles putting out games that surpassed PC titles in sales on a regular basis that people began talking about the (premature) death of PC gaming in earnest.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
I was in the PC gaming camp was dead and then came Steam.
Here's this little application that lets me buys games, handles the installation, if I uninstall I can reinstall, and they have super crazy sales.
And when my mom visits she can't deduce how much money I've spent and time I've wasted on gaming.
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Also: The makers of Steam figured out super-crazy easy ways to convert programs into working for the Mac and are willing to teach said ways to anyone that'll release the result on Steam.|
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
I was in the PC gaming camp was dead and then came Steam.
Here's this little application that lets me buys games, handles the installation, if I uninstall I can reinstall, and they have super crazy sales. And when my mom visits she can't deduce how much money I've spent and time I've wasted on gaming. |
It's madness. MADNESS!
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Yes, I love the way Consoles don't have any DRM at all, much handier.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Mass Effect 1 - 5 activations, SecuROM presence, online activation
Left For Dead - Valve game requiring Steam which is DRM Fallout 3 - SecuROM but it is removable Dragon Age - All 3 released at the same time And tell me, why would I play most of those games on a PC when there is the much, much simpler method of "Insert Disc" for a console? Rather than having to deal with Error Message XR2892B-Q for the hundredth time. The exceptions being those that support extensive modding like Fallout 3. |
Steam is technically DRM, but pretty much unobstrusive DRM. Given the number of CDs and DVDs I've had scratched beyond use over the years it's a godsend for me.
Especially when I decided to upgrade my laptop and was simply able to leave it run overnight to install my games and saves on it.
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| Fallout: New Vegas...according to the numbers I've found, it has a 360 sale-rate of approximately 10x (850k for the 360, 460k for the PS3, 90k for the PC) that of the PC for week one. Now, one cannot verify if that was because of the DRM requirement for the PC or not. |
If PC Gaming was indeed dead then PC Gaming companies wouldn't be bothered writing / adapting and supporting games for it. They aren't a charity.
It's not dead, it's not super-dooper-fabulously-massive figures. It must be somewhere in between...
Steam is DRM?!
I thought it was a way for PC games and various Indie games (like Eversion) to slowly clog up my hard drive with fun?
Steam is the good way to do a digital download service, for the crap way please see Games for Windows Live...I've honestly not seen a more half-hearted attempt at trying to beat Steam at its own game..well...ever...
Remember people the Christmas sales will be coming around soon, prepare to make like bandits on their insane price cuts!
Why I'm waiting on buying Fallout out: New Vegas, you know it's going to be in the Christmas sale at a 75% price cut.
And yeah...those figures completely ignore Steam sales figures and consider Fallout:NV is a steam requiring game...that seems kind of stupid.
Hrm I didn't notice PC Gaming wasting away. Maybe my favorite genre, Spaceflight/fighter sims, but not the whole thing. Which on the topic of spacefighter sims there is one I would sign a legally binding NDA to help make a reality. Cant name names but lets just say I would jump over the gate to help its evolution along.
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I honestly think Freespace 2 killed the Space sim genre...you know why?|
Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold
Spaceflight/fighter sims
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It was just too damn good!
The game has your arcadey space dogfights, the lovely looking nebula levels and also the sheer scale thing, there is nothing like having to fly along an SJ Sathanas and you realise that you are TINY compared to it in your one man fighter...it takes 1-2 minutes of unboosted flight time to go along it, with the speeds your going at that says a lot about its size.
There hasn't been a space sim that has been able to match Freespace 2 on any level before or since.
It also made me somewhat disappointed in Eve...hearing about the massive ships and then realising that the game lacks the scale thing that Freespace 2 had.
Played it, it was good but the one I hinted at, if they ever release it(its been in development for years), should make all the others I've seen look like the old X-Wing vs Tie Fighter games.
Edit: and yes it seems to have that sense of scale. +space fights on the scale of the assault on the second death star
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As an aside, is there still much of a market for joysticks? I went through a lot of them back in the proverbial day when games like <bleep!> and <bleep!> and <bleep!> were big. I sure wish <bleep!> would make a comeback.
PC's only mostly dead 
"Prove it!" "No, you prove it!" arguments are so much fun.
There's always going to be games that don't work well for anything but a PC, therefore, the PC as a gaming platform will never die completely.
DOOOOM criers will continue to cry in the hopes that one day they'll be proven right, because admitting they were wrong is harder than actually being wrong.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
Fortunately, now we have a one word rebuttal for anyone who says PC gaming is dead.
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I have not read the article, but I want to comment on the thread.
I do not, and never have liked PC game play. There are many reasons. I am not fond of American developers and their idea of story. I do not like shooters, and I was never fond of American RPGs. Graphics are also an issue. I found that graphics were better in my eyes with the consoles.
Now that I am playing MMOs for the last 8 years, I have found another issue with PCs. The constant need to upgrade them to see the newest games, now the latest DRMs are not only invasive, but offensive to me. I refuse to buy anything from UBISoft due to their recent idea, and I will not buy anything with SecureROM, even if it something I like.
Many of the popular games that are out there I never had the desire to play, and others, like Fallout, lost my interest once I realized it was a timed game. I don't like that.
My other issue is, PC games are shoddy. They push them out without worrying about all the bugs, and then you need to 'patch' them to fix their design failures. Just look at the Praetorian Halloween salvage contact. That was let through, even though it was a glaringly obvious problem. I have one of the DarkSun RPGs from a long time ago that I like, but I can't play due to needing to find the patches.
Overall, I am fine with plugging in a disc/cartridge and playing a game. I know that the latest console that I will own will play the games that are coming out. It's not like the PC is very backwards compatible either. In addition, it used to be that the PS had a very good variety of Japanese RPGs and games. Now days, they have very few of them. It's sad to see the latest American shooter instead of a new Japanese RPG, with the story lines I like.
PC games are not dying, nor are they a niche market. I can't say that overall I really want to buy them. I asked about Steam a month ago due to the fact that I do not own a 360 and there is a very popular American RPG that will be coming out for the PS3, but no word if the first installment will port over. I can deal with Steams DRM for the most part. I will look into it for this game... but I would be happier just to buy it on my console.
Now, this is a point of view. I am not wrong about what I like, not is anyone else for the most part, but I am not changing my mind just because someone shows me some technical data, or someone raves about the story line in some game.
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I don't think anyone was trying to convince you to switch to PC. If you don't like it, don't use it. Consoles work just fine and have their upsides, particularly if you tastes run toward games that play well on a pad.
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Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
I have not read the article, but I want to comment on the thread.
I do not, and never have liked PC game play. There are many reasons. I am not fond of American developers and their idea of story. I do not like shooters, and I was never fond of American RPGs. Graphics are also an issue. I found that graphics were better in my eyes with the consoles. Now that I am playing MMOs for the last 8 years, I have found another issue with PCs. The constant need to upgrade them to see the newest games, now the latest DRMs are not only invasive, but offensive to me. I refuse to buy anything from UBISoft due to their recent idea, and I will not buy anything with SecureROM, even if it something I like. Many of the popular games that are out there I never had the desire to play, and others, like Fallout, lost my interest once I realized it was a timed game. I don't like that. My other issue is, PC games are shoddy. They push them out without worrying about all the bugs, and then you need to 'patch' them to fix their design failures. Just look at the Praetorian Halloween salvage contact. That was let through, even though it was a glaringly obvious problem. I have one of the DarkSun RPGs from a long time ago that I like, but I can't play due to needing to find the patches. Overall, I am fine with plugging in a disc/cartridge and playing a game. I know that the latest console that I will own will play the games that are coming out. It's not like the PC is very backwards compatible either. In addition, it used to be that the PS had a very good variety of Japanese RPGs and games. Now days, they have very few of them. It's sad to see the latest American shooter instead of a new Japanese RPG, with the story lines I like. PC games are not dying, nor are they a niche market. I can't say that overall I really want to buy them. I asked about Steam a month ago due to the fact that I do not own a 360 and there is a very popular American RPG that will be coming out for the PS3, but no word if the first installment will port over. I can deal with Steams DRM for the most part. I will look into it for this game... but I would be happier just to buy it on my console. Now, this is a point of view. I am not wrong about what I like, not is anyone else for the most part, but I am not changing my mind just because someone shows me some technical data, or someone raves about the story line in some game. |
If people didn't give a damn about DRM, then Spore wouldn't have been one of the most pirated games in history, yet it had one of the most restrictive DRM methods at the time.
Fallout: New Vegas...according to the numbers I've found, it has a 360 sale-rate of approximately 10x (850k for the 360, 460k for the PS3, 90k for the PC) that of the PC for week one. Now, one cannot verify if that was because of the DRM requirement for the PC or not.
Fallout 3...according to the numbers I've seen, 4.7 million copies sold during launch week worldwide, of which, 55% were 360, 28% PS3, 17% PC. Which amounts to nearly 800k PC units.
Of course, that mixes worldwide and US only and I wasn't able to find US-only stats for Fallout 3. But of the two games, one had barely any DRM, the other requires a third-party program.
According to another stat page on Gamasutra, in 2007, PC sales accounted for a measly 14% of total game sales with the majority of those going to WoW and The Sims.
Also, regarding your earlier post, who cares how many developers are PC-only? The only important thing is that they continue to make PC games and that those games are good. Granted, some ports to PC are bad, but a lot are really good. The us versus them attitude with regards to console gaming is really pretty silly, it doesn't hurt PC gaming for consoles to get good games.