Bots/Traps MM
Ill/Rad Troller
Rad/Sonic 'fender
Sonic/Rad Corr
My Nin/TA MM has taken on most AV's and won w/o much worry. My mind/psi Dom has done well, but Citadel keeps doing him in.
Many MMs can solo at least some AVs, though Bots/Traps is the best at it (and can solo GMs as well). Really, almost any AT has at least one or two builds that can solo some AVs (even Blasters), but the ones I know of than that can solo all AVs and all GMs are:
Ill/Rad Controller
Bots/Traps MM
and I think Rad/Sonic Defender and Sonic/Rad Corruptor
(there are probably others too, these are just the ones I've heard of)
Some of the really extreme Scrapper and Brute builds can also solo all AVs, but they can't beat a GM due to no -regen debuffs. If you can afford a perma-PA build then Ill/Rad Controllers are going to be the best, because they literally cannot be killed by anything other than Hamidon unless you mess up. The others can always end up getting a run of bad luck, but since Phantom Army can't be killed, debuffed, mezzed, or harmed in any way as long as you keep it going full time you will never be attacked, and therefore no amount of lucky to hit rolls can hurt you. On the other hand, several ATs do a lot more damage than an Ill/Rad so it's a trade-off.
Cascade, level 50 Blaster (NRG/NRG since before it was cool)
Mechmeister, level 50 Bots / Traps MM
FAR too many non-50 alts to name
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I'm having trouble seeing a MM solo Lusca and an Ill/Rad solo the Kronos Titan.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
but the ones I know of than that can solo all AVs and all GMs are:
Ill/Rad Controller Bots/Traps MM |
Is the Kronos Titan timed (been a long time since I fought one)? If so, I doubt any character can solo it without temps (soloing AVs generally takes a long time, up to several hours). If not, I'm sure an Ill/Rad can do it eventually.
As for a MM vs Lusca, that would be interesting. I admit I was thinking "all GMs on their respective side" but now that we can switch I suppose one of the really good Bots/Traps GM soloists should head over to Independence Port and see if they can serve up some calamari. 
The only two ATs I've heard of soloing Lusca are an Ill/Rad and a Rad/Sonic, but since a Bots/Traps MM is generally tougher than a Rad/Sonic I'd think it's possible. Or at least it will be when / if the Bots AI is fixed so they don't ignore Goto commands and run into melee...
Cascade, level 50 Blaster (NRG/NRG since before it was cool)
Mechmeister, level 50 Bots / Traps MM
FAR too many non-50 alts to name
[u]Arcs[u]
The Scavenger Hunt: 187076
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My claws/Sr brute can solo Av's, ive never tried a GM
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Takes my fire/rad troller about 5-20 minutes, and the 20 is only there for one fight. Most of them are 5-10.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
Is the Kronos Titan timed (been a long time since I fought one)? If so, I doubt any character can solo it without temps (soloing AVs generally takes a long time, up to several hours).
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Fire/Rad and Fire/Traps Corrs.
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Thanks for all the info guys!
Out of curiosity, how does a Bots/Traps mastermind solo Ghost Widow?
My masterminds always have to run for help to kill her even as an elite boss, so am looking for tips/strategies.
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Yeah, most competent AV soloers can do most AVs in 5mins, 10 for the tougher ones.|
Originally Posted by StrykerX
Is the Kronos Titan timed (been a long time since I fought one)? If so, I doubt any character can solo it without temps (soloing AVs generally takes a long time, up to several hours). If not, I'm sure an Ill/Rad can do it eventually.
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The reason I doubt any Ill/Rad can take out the Kronos Titan is because of his high psi resistance (being a robot and all) and higher debuff resistances (being generally a level 50 GM) AND higher hp.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
As for a MM vs Lusca, that would be interesting. I admit I was thinking "all GMs on their respective side" but now that we can switch I suppose one of the really good Bots/Traps GM soloists should head over to Independence Port and see if they can serve up some calamari.
The only two ATs I've heard of soloing Lusca are an Ill/Rad and a Rad/Sonic, but since a Bots/Traps MM is generally tougher than a Rad/Sonic I'd think it's possible. Or at least it will be when / if the Bots AI is fixed so they don't ignore Goto commands and run into melee... |
I dont go looking to pick fights with AV's solo, however, I have beat a few with my fire/storm controller and with my peace bringer. (no temp powers used)
The peace bringer can be kinda slow, he is tri-form and I often have to go into dwarf form to survive and do almost no damage, jumping into nova form just briefly to alpha and then hide in dwarf some more and heal.
I remember fighting nemesis with my PB (or a nemesis if you prefer) and we just couldn't hurt each other much.
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yup, since you cant effectivly taunt the tentacles you are hitting and the head at the same time as a MM. (stupid low duration taunts) BTW CONFRONT |
Originally Posted by Silverado
Has nothing to do with being tougher and everything to do with Lusca's head killing your henchmen AND traps.
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"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of BS." -General George Patton
-Lord Azazel
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Doh! Sorry, I meant to say soloing GMs can take hours. Granted, AVs can too on certain builds (like Tankers) but in general it's over in a few minutes.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Yeah, most competent AV soloers can do most AVs in 5mins, 10 for the tougher ones.
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Cascade, level 50 Blaster (NRG/NRG since before it was cool)
Mechmeister, level 50 Bots / Traps MM
FAR too many non-50 alts to name
[u]Arcs[u]
The Scavenger Hunt: 187076
The Instant Lair Delivery Service: 206636
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The time it takes completely depends on the type of GM and its level. I can solo Deathsurge under 30 mins, but others like the Hive/Abyss GMs take me at least 45 min+. |
Originally Posted by StrykerX
Doh! Sorry, I meant to say soloing GMs can take hours. Granted, AVs can too on certain builds (like Tankers) but in general it's over in a few minutes.
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Resistances and your damage types also factor in.
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of BS." -General George Patton
-Lord Azazel
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Lusca (who is technically 9 GMs) "only" took me around 90mins on my defender, and that was without using any temps or insps. Most other GMs either take around 15mins or just can't be done at all.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
Doh! Sorry, I meant to say soloing GMs can take hours. Granted, AVs can too on certain builds (like Tankers) but in general it's over in a few minutes.
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What kind of Defender was it? I've been interesting in trying Lusca with my Fire/Rad Corr.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Lusca (who is technically 9 GMs) "only" took me around 90mins on my defender, and that was without using any temps or insps. Most other GMs either take around 15mins or just can't be done at all.
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IIRC from the thread it was a Rad/Sonic Defender.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
What kind of Defender was it? I've been interesting in trying Lusca with my Fire/Rad Corr.
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i would like to add thugs/dark MM to the list. I dusted mine off for the halloween event after not havig played himfor a yearr or so and saw scrapyard was up so i figured that it was worth a try. I ended up soloing him but I didn't time it. i also went on to solo deathsurge again untimed.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
What kind of Defender was it? I've been interesting in trying Lusca with my Fire/Rad Corr.
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On a bots/traps mastermind:|
Originally Posted by StrykerX
Doh! Sorry, I meant to say soloing GMs can take hours.
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Babbage: ~90 minutes (between his sleep attacks and his habit of running every time I tried to apply a debuff, I had him sitting between 25% and 50% health for the longest time)
Clockwork paladins: 4 minutes each (there were two in Paladin Park at the time, and the second aggroed while I was fighting the first).
Eochai: Slightly over four minutes.
Jack in Irons: Between 8 and 12 minutes.
Times are approximate, and based on my memory of how often I resummoned my forcefield generator.
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It takes around 15 minutes for my dom to solo a quarry if it doesn't run away or kill me, so 15 minutes is a good number for someone with strong regen debuffs.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Lusca (who is technically 9 GMs) "only" took me around 90mins on my defender, and that was without using any temps or insps. Most other GMs either take around 15mins or just can't be done at all.
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Active (Freedom): Setna (Ice/Psi Dom), Arram (WP/KM Tank), Tesmiel (Elec/SS Tank), Astredax (Robot/Dark Mastermind), Operative Vidali (melee fortunata)
Retired (Virtue): Gaav (Inv/EM Tank), Baqra (Fire/SS Tank)
I haven't tried it since my defense got capped, but when I was around 38%, I tried to solo a PI DE monster and got him to about half health in around 3 minutes. Should probably try again now that I'm capped and see how long it takes me.
So, I'm up a creek if I try to solo an AV with my WP/SS tank?
Protector
Mister Liberty - WP/SS tank
Liberty Machine - Inv/EM tank
Brickhouse Brown - Stone/Stone tank
Infurnace - Fire/Fire scrapper
I was just wondering if anyone had an idea or knew of a certain archetype and build that could kill AV's or giant monsters easily. I've heard MM's with bots is a really good build for this. Is this true? Any help would be appreciated!