Discussion: The 2010 Halloween Event is here!
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Posted on: 2010-10-21 13:48 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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I was only told about the badge still having the horrible name, not the actual reason why the name is horrible - I knew that already myself.
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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
The point that has been missed is that GG would be totally clueless about this, if someone else hadn't mentioned it to her.
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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If the supernatural isn't creepy then you're doing it wrong...
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
There is totally no need at all to have the Halloween witch badge called "Malleus", and the devs really need to change it to something suitable that isn't sick and creepy - just like they managed to name every single other supernatural themed badge in the game without making them sick or creepy.
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It's not creepy as in ghosts and things, it's creepy as in being an uncomfortable and out fo place reference in a superhero game.
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Originally Posted by Great_Cthulhu
If the supernatural isn't creepy then you're doing it wrong...
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
GG, have you ever read a play called Inherit the Wind?
You strongly remind me of one of the characters.
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more or less comfortable than Nazis being in the game?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's nopt creepy as in ghosts and things, it's creepy as in being an uncomfortable and out fo place reference in a superhero game.
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Its not just this week, as I recall she went off on this nutty crusade to get the badge pulled last year as well.|
Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
The point that has been missed is that GG would be totally clueless about this, if someone else hadn't mentioned it to her.
Apparently, this is her windmill of the week... |
Meanwhile one of my Brutes is happily sporting the title "Malleus." And unless I greatly miss my guess, he will continue to sport it. O THE HORROR
I wouldn't want to guesstimate how many players actually understand the Malleus reference, but I'm guessing very few, the general knowledge fund being what it is.
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You mean the genre that features characters like Galactus, Darksied, Thanatos, Phoenix, etc?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's nopt creepy as in ghosts and things, it's creepy as in being an uncomfortable and out fo place reference in a superhero game.
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Huh, interesting point of view!
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My City Was Gone
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What have they got to do with the game giving superheroes a badge linking their actions with a crime against humanity?
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
You mean the genre that features characters like Galactus, Darksied, Thanatos, Phoenix, etc?
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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The genre features characters that destroy worlds.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
What have they got to do with the game giving superheroes a badge linking their actions with a crime against humanity?
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There's nothing 'out of place' about a badge title that you think is "creepy".
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My City Was Gone
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Evil characters, not heroes.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
The genre features characters that destroy worlds.
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| There's nothing 'out of place' about a badge title that you think is "creepy". |
@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Why would a hero have a badge linking their actions to mass-murder?
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
more or less comfortable than Nazis being in the game?
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It's time to hang up the Indignation Parade you have going on here. It really is only making you look foolish for being over sensitive. I have no problem with you having an issue with it mind, it's just time to walk away from this one as gracefully as you still *might* be able too.
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OMG I can't believe you have to have this explained to you! Because the Cabal is a VILLAIN GROUP in this game. We most generally earn cash and prizes in this game by DEFEATING ENEMIES. The Cabal are the enemy of every hero.... and pretty much every villain too, since when villains ToT, Crones pretty much dont pop out of that door with a Candy-gram, either. They want to kill ALL of us. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Evil characters, not heroes.
Why would a hero have a badge linking their actions to mass-murder? |
Problem solved! Sheesh!
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He actually really doesn't have a point there, and here's why. The Nazi-inspired characters are evil, and the badges that you get from them don't link you to doing those acts of evil. The only people that should have a problem with there being Nazi-inspired groups in this game that you mow down in droves are Nazi sympathizers. I'm not really pushing for the badge name to be changed, but Golden Girl is right in that this is an award for doing something heroic that gets its name from something very unjust in the real world. The analogy to the Nazi-inspired mobs that we tear up just doesn't fit here.
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Originally Posted by GMan3
GG, Mr. DJ has an interesting point here, there are currently two enemy group grounded in Nazi Lore, The 5th Column and The Council which evolved from it. Being grounded in Nazi Lore I can only assume you have a problem with both of these enemy groups since the Nazi's killed MILLIONS of Jews, not to mention blacks and gays? You even get badges for killing members of these groups, so you must have a problem with those badges as well, right? Oh wait, you have already said those badges are OK with you.
It's time to hang up the Indignation Parade you have going on here. It really is only making you look foolish for being over sensitive. I have no problem with you having an issue with it mind, it's just time to walk away from this one as gracefully as you still *might* be able too. |
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A fantasy world of celluloid villains and heroes."
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Actually, the analogy fits very well according to your argument. The "Witches" in this game are also evil just like the "Nazi's" in The 5th Column and The Council. All three groups attack both heroes and villains and everything in between and they give badges for killing them with names that seem very appropriate to the actions you take to earn them. If she was really so bent out of shape about this then simply having a group in this game, let alone two, based on Nazi's would bother her too. I mean, according to her argument, there is no place for things like this in a Heroic MMO.|
Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
^^^ Read above. ^^^
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The fact is this is a game and she let herself get her knickers in a twist for very little reason. Heck, the badge name isn't even the full name she gave for the book. Only a similar reference, that when looked up in a dictionary, has a totally different meaning. Though I do believe that reference was intentional.
At this point it really is time for her to get over it or find a game that does not have ANY form of historical references that may upset her. That is really the only two options I can see for her at this point.
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More than three quarters of the player base likely has no idea about what this badge even is or means. In your eyes I'm sure that doesn't make it any less right to have it, but I doubt they will change this badge because it offends you, and what looks to be you alone. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Why would a hero have a badge linking their actions to mass-murder?
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They may as well get rid of everything offensive in this game, then.
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My Characters
Quick non-Malleus question:
The Trusting badge selection states that, in addition to the badge, you will be rewarded 100k Inf. However, I have only been getting 50k. Now, I realize that my toon being in SG mode might reduce the Inf rewards, but I thought you would get prestige in its place; unfortunately I am not getting any prestige with that 50k.
Is this WAI? Should I have jumped out of SG mode before selecting the reward to get the full amount? While 50k isn't a lot of money, I was taught not to throw away any money at all. 
I find your lack of signature disturbing.
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If you're selecting the same reward over and over, the reward is lessened after the first time. Or, in the case of the rare recipe reward. you don't get it at all after the first time.
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Surprise
Quick non-Malleus question:
The Trusting badge selection states that, in addition to the badge, you will be rewarded 100k Inf. However, I have only been getting 50k. Now, I realize that my toon being in SG mode might reduce the Inf rewards, but I thought you would get prestige in its place; unfortunately I am not getting any prestige with that 50k. Is this WAI? Should I have jumped out of SG mode before selecting the reward to get the full amount? While 50k isn't a lot of money, I was taught not to throw away any money at all. |
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Phoenix was a hero.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Evil characters, not heroes.
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And since comics are like soap operas, there are examples of villains-turned-hero and vice versa scattered about. Not to mention "heroes" of the Punisher variety who are basically mass murderers.
"it isn't true to the source material" is probably the lamest argument you could trot out against that badge.
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My City Was Gone
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try 99.9%.|
Originally Posted by StarKitten
More than three quarters of the player base likely has no idea about what this badge even is or means.
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I'm fairly well read and a longtime nerd in good standing and I had no idea what GG was on about before this thread.
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My City Was Gone
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You're totally missing the point again - there's no problem with having evil witches in the game - the poblem is making the badge for defeating them a reference to mass-murder in the real world.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
OMG I can't believe you have to have this explained to you! Because the Cabal is a VILLAIN GROUP in this game. We most generally earn cash and prizes in this game by DEFEATING ENEMIES. The Cabal are the enemy of every hero.... and pretty much every villain too, since when villains ToT, Crones pretty much dont pop out of that door with a Candy-gram, either. They want to kill ALL of us.
Problem solved! Sheesh! |
Defeating the Halloween witches is shown to be a good thing in the game - but the badge to mark the achievement is linked to a crime against humanity - that's why it needs to be changed.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
If you're going to complain about the title what about the action? You are still KILLING witches. Not real you say? Tell that to the wiccans or followers of other pagan faiths that are witches and might feel that under any name killing witches in a game is wrong.
Where are we going and Why am I in this Handbasket?
I do see GG's point even if I think it's a fight that doesn't need to be fought. Think about it in relation to a more recent example.
What if there was a badge on Red Side for helping the Fifth Column (who we all know are thinly veiled Nazis) called the "Auschwitz" Badge?
Or, what if the badges for the safeguard/mayhem side missions involving bombs were "Alfred P. Murrah" badges?
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Unfortunately, it's the first time. I'm running these missions 5 times on several of my toons, just clicking each option once to get the badge, and then moving on to next until I get the accolade. So far, on 3 different toons that were in SG mode, I only received 50k when selecting the option that includes the Trusting badge, instead of 100k mentioned in the text box. |
Originally Posted by Hallowed
If you're selecting the same reward over and over, the reward is lessened after the first time. Or, in the case of the rare recipe reward. you don't get it at all after the first time.
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Anybody else notice this? On my next toon, I'll try it out of SG mode.
I find your lack of signature disturbing.
"You have blown this all out of proportion because it bothers YOU."
Apparently, this is her windmill of the week...
Angel Red
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