Discussion: The 2010 Halloween Event is here!

I hate to say this, but I strongly agree with GG on this. This is in extremely poor taste and has been complained about many times in the past.

They've already changed one badge after a similar bad taste problem - the original "Untouchable" badge for defeating 100 Family bosses used to have an Italian flag on it instead of the bullet holes on a brick wall that it has now - and this changing the name of the "Malleus" badge would be even easier, as the artwork can stay the same - it just needs the name changed.

And if they really want to keep that name for a badge, then as it's a Latin word they could make it the name of a badge in Cimerora, for defeating something like Minotaurs or Cyclopses, for example - or just add it for to any new badges in upcoming Issues - anything, really, just as long as they get rid of any link with it to witches and the mass-murder of women.

Uh . . . What? Where is the word "Malleus" a reference to the mass murder of women? I am assuming you are speaking of an event since the half a dozen dictionaries I checked only talk about the definition of "Malleus" as one of the three bones of the inner ear in mammals. Even the Latin origin only refers to a hammer.

This is odd.

It always is when I find myself agreeing with GG.

After doing a bit of homework I have to support this change.

Wow...just...wow....

You have to look at the deeper meaning, the motive behind it.

My mother is a Witch.

I have never delved into her arts but as it was explained to me in vivid detail the meaning is there.

This should be changed.

I agree.

Run Shadow Fall

or wear costume.

Can't do both.

>.<

Angel Red
"We're heroes. Fighting injustice is the thing we do." ~Rebel Scum

Basically they are upset over the Malleus Maleficarum, a codex on how to run witch trials. Since the media often protrays witches being only female, they are led to believe that the witch trials were only there to mass murder women.

Ignoring of course the whole element of the other gender that was also killed. Cause you know, no one cares about the men who where killed as well. The book after all does say that women are more often witches than men. Mostly because it came around in a time where men had thought they were the ones in charge.

However now we live in a time where we get offended over everything because it has some connection to this one time that this thing happened that was bad. Thus is the major reason people are upset over the title of the badge and the way it is earned. So they want to sweep the bad part of history under the rug, even though several people here have now been educated on it. (Though everyone already "knows" at least a little bit about the witch trials.)

It's from the title of a book called "Malleus Maleficarum", which means "The Hammer of the Witches" - it was written in the middle ages, and is one of the most evil books ever - it's all about how to identify, put on tiral, and murder "witches", and it was the standard reference book for the authorities in the centuries of the witch killings, which resulted in the deaths of countless thousands of women.
It's a "how to" guide for mysogyny and gendercide, and is not something you should reference in a badge title for beating up witches.

The "Malleus Maleficarum" is filled with mysogynistic rants to try and justify gendercide - it's one of the main parts explaining how people could identify "witches" - a lot of the "proof" presented just comes down to "she's a woman, so she should be suspected of being evil".

Some men were murdered as "witches" too - but the vast majority of the victims were women.

This has got nothing to do with trying to "sweep it under the rug" - it's quite the opposite - the full horror of the mass-murder of "witches" is still not as well known as it should be.
This is about not using a reference to crimes against humanity as the title for a badge - the "Malleus Maleficarum" helped bring about the deaths of thousands and thousands of women for being "witches" - so a badge for defeating witches in the game should nerver, ever have been called "Malleus".

No it isn't - the "witches" who were murdered weren't real witches, because those don't exist - it was like accusing and murdering people for being elves or fairies or pixies - mass-murder for the "crime" of being something that never existed.

The witches in the game are "real" witches - so they have totally no conenction to the women who were murdered for being "witches", so the badge title is not only crass and offensive, it doesn't even make any sense either.

I've been looking for this "Malleus Maleficarum" all day in the wiki and have been unable to find it.

Now, I know there is the Malleus Mundi (Latin, "Hammer of the World") in the Halloween Tip mission, which is described as

"The Malleus Mundi is an ancient text, one of the oldest bound books known to still be in existence. It is a magical focal point as well as a book of some of the most powerful spells ever devised. Whispers speak of its powers being able to bind gods, destroy moons, and re-write the fabric of reality itself."

Not seeing anything about witches or their persecution.

Angel Red
"We're heroes. Fighting injustice is the thing we do." ~Rebel Scum

hey don't look at me, I'm going from the info provided by the undies in a wad crowd proclaiming it as a badge celebrating gendercide (or whatever they're on about).

If it doesn't have anything to do with witches their position is even sillier than I thought.

That's not the reference the badge is making - if it was, then it would be for all the Halloween mobs, not just the witches.
It's a reference to the "Malleus Maleficarum" and "defeating witches", just like the Halloween vampire one is "Hunter", as in vampire hunting, and the Ghost one is "Buster", as in ghost busting.
There's totally no connection between the Malleus Mundi and the Halloween Witches - the badge is about the "Maleus Maleficarum", and needs to be changed.

Really?

I don't see anything...

...oh right...

Angel Red
"We're heroes. Fighting injustice is the thing we do." ~Rebel Scum

Ahh . . . OK . . . just one thing, there were many times more men killed in the Spanish Inquisition for being witches than there were EVER female "witches" killed. I almost understand the outrage, but really, put things in perspective, this is a game and that was a long time ago. Considering what you have to do to get the badge, I think the name is very appropriate.

It might be a little more appropriate to demand that "Warlocks" be added to the game in order to make things more accurate instead of demanding a badge name be changed.

Nope, still can't find it.

Malleus + Any other word you wish to put here ≠ Malleus Maleficarum

Angel Red
"We're heroes. Fighting injustice is the thing we do." ~Rebel Scum

No, that's not incorrect.

That's the very reason why it's an awful name for the badge.

You're getting totally the wrong way around - it's because the badge makes a reference to the mass murder of "witches" that's it's horrible - not that it doesn't acknowledge men killed for being "witches".

Have you looked for any references to the movie "Ghostbusters" in paragonwiki, or is the badge called "Buster" for defeating Halloween ghosts a reference to something in game?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum

Defeating witches is ok in the game, because they're real witches - but it's not ok when the badge for it is a reference to the murder of real people for being "witches".

History is very interesting - but the horrible parts of it shouldn't be used in a superhero game as the title for some kind of achievement.