A way to offset Fitness (for thematic RP characters)
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Posted on: 2010-10-07 18:35 in Suggestions and Ideas
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Old Sprint, before it got its recent buff and unenhanced would make you go from 14 mph to 21 mph.|
Originally Posted by Gaming_Glen
There are times when the slow "trot" is a good effect. If I wanted to go faster I'd turn on Sprint or the travel power.
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Unenhanced Swift will make you go 19 mph instead of 14 mph.
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My suggestion doesn't require creating new enhancements. I was talking regarding existing "Snare" (Slow) IO/SO
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Originally Posted by Traska
Uh, that's actually my entire suggestion, right there. -Hurdle would provide a -jump effect *exactly* equal to the positive jump an unenhanced Hurdle gives you, thus negating it precisely.
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It wouldn't work anyway as an enhancement can only boost existing effects. There's no slow debuff in Swift so adding a slow enhancement would do nothing.
Well it might be implemented as 2 opposing slow effects with only 1 enhanceable, but that means sending extra 2 buffs to every character in the game.
Or perhaps they could do like hover and TP with a mix of enhanceable and unenhanceable values going both ways.
Note that this is implementation speculation not an endorsement of the idea.
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But you can add entirely new effects to enhancements. There is, for example, no stealth effect to hover or fly, unless you use Freebird: Stealth. That's why it would require a whole new type of enhancement.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
It wouldn't work anyway as an enhancement can only boost existing effects. There's no slow debuff in Swift so adding a slow enhancement would do nothing.
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Ye Gods this thread (and entire line of thought) makes my head hurt.
Just IGNORE the damn in-game effects if its an RP issue! Hell, if any of my natural characters fell off the tallest buildings in-game, they'd die! Not have 1 HP left, they'd die. Splat! Street freaking pizza!
Just...please. Stop. My cerebral core is fragging out on this one.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I don't give damn regarding RP aspects of inherent fitness (or RP aspects of the game altogether). I'm totally for inherent fitness. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Ye Gods this thread (and entire line of thought) makes my head hurt.
Just IGNORE the damn in-game effects if its an RP issue! Hell, if any of my natural characters fell off the tallest buildings in-game, they'd die! Not have 1 HP left, they'd die. Splat! Street freaking pizza! Just...please. Stop. My cerebral core is fragging out on this one. |
But, there can be problem for players who don't have necessary twiching reflexes, playing the game on outdated hardware or any combination of both.
As for myself, all my toons have SS and either swift or hurdle. I'm always playing with SS + sprint on. That combo puts me at or near run speed cap (depending on character). So, as you can see, that inherent fitness isn't going to affect me at all. But potential problem for player with old hardware and/or poor movement control skills should be recognized and addressed IMO.
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I really don't see that big of a difference with Swift/Hurdle. Yes, they add a bit of a bit, but I wouldn't call them so noticable to make a game breaking change to anyone's play experience when it comes to added speed.|
Originally Posted by NordBlast
I don't give damn regarding RP aspects of inherent fitness (or RP aspects of the game altogether). I'm totally for inherent fitness.
But, there can be problem for players who don't have necessary twiching reflexes, playing the game on outdated hardware or any combination of both. As for myself, all my toons have SS and either swift or hurdle. I'm always playing with SS + sprint on. That combo puts me at or near run speed cap (depending on character). So, as you can see, that inherent fitness isn't going to affect me at all. But potential problem for player with old hardware and/or poor movement control skills should be recognized and addressed IMO. |
Swift is not like SB, and while I've seen people ask not to be SBed because of the added +SPD effect, I've never seen someone asked not to be AMed because of the added speed (note: I'm sure someone will now say "I have", but that would be such a tiny bit of the player base, I'm sure they'd adapt).
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Does anyone in this thread ACTUALLY oppose the change themselves?
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The nicest way I can respond is that they are playing the wrong game.
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Originally Posted by Traska
Okay, with Issue 19, the Fitness pool is going to be inherent. And this is, understandably, upsetting some people who want their characters to be... shall we say, down-to-earth. Not everybody wants to leap over speeding bullets in a locomotive, after all.
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1. Get the Vahzilok Wasting Disease.
2. Get someone to spam Increase Density on you.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
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See, my thought was to roll a level one character, bypass the tutorial, then turn off XP.
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Agreed!
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
The nicest way I can respond is that they are playing the wrong game.
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No accommodation need be made for RP in this instance. If you believe you are too super, pretend you're not. That's what RP is, pretending to be something else. RP better.
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upsetting, obviously since some people are complaining.|
Originally Posted by Traska
Okay, with Issue 19, the Fitness pool is going to be inherent. And this is, understandably, upsetting.....
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understandably? no.
they're playing City of Heroes, not City of Feebs.
It isn't reasonable that someone can justify shooting fire from their hands but really, really, really has a problem with being able to do it *slightly more efficiently* because they've been given inherent Stamina.
If you don't like it, don't slot it. if you want to approximate not having it at all, slot heavily for recharge and ignore endredux.
Suck it up and deal.
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A thought just occured to me.
Are all those who are against inherent Fitness, because they think their shouldn't be fit, going to skip doing incarnate stuff? Because, wouldn't that unfit/down to earth character, not be an incarnate either?
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Only if you're under the generalized assumption that all incarnates are of the categorization of 'fit'.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
A thought just occured to me.
Are all those who are against inherent Fitness, because they think their shouldn't be fit, going to skip doing incarnate stuff? Because, wouldn't that unfit/down to earth character, not be an incarnate either? |
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I'm under the impression that I have yet to see an incarnate in the game that wasn't fit (great regeneration and recovery ie Health/Stamina).|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Only if you're under the generalized assumption that all incarnates are of the categorization of 'fit'.
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I'm under the impression that I don't see a normal human maintaining an unfit lifestyle doing the activities one would need to do to reach level 50, without the side effect of getting into a fit shape.
I'm under the impression that I've seen a lot of "Oh my end issues! Lower the cost of powers! I always have to take Stamina, and I want to take other stuff!" now only to see the reverse of "Ack! You gave us what we wanted, and now we don't!"
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And you're also under the false impression that any of these characters are 'unfit'. Where is the 'unfit' power pool or power?|
Originally Posted by BrandX
I'm under the impression that I don't see a normal human maintaining an unfit lifestyle doing the activities one would need to do to reach level 50, without the side effect of getting into a fit shape.
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Just because someone doesn't have the 'fitness' pool doesn't automatically make them 'unfit'. Differentiate between 'unfit' and 'not fit'.
Hell, I try to fit in 2 or 3 days of jogging in the mornings every week and am a good deal below average weight for my height. But I'm not 'fit', nor 'unfit'. I probably couldn't go running marathons every other day, climb a few mountains then bike home and play 8+ hours of basketball to top it all off...no, only someone that's fit can do that.
There is a workaround for jumping already in game. Depending on how long you hold the spacebar will change the height you jump. So, very quickly tapping the spacebar will cause the character to do a little hoppy jump, holding down will extend the full height of the jump.
This also applies to characters without Hurdle/Combat Jumping/Super Jump/Ninja Run. And it's neat.
Sadly the same does not happen with Swift, but then whenever I switch from playing a 50 to a level 1-10, I find running terrible (slow terrible). Hence why I love Ninja Run, even on robots.
And I RP.
And I live with the fact that Hellions should be putting any of my characters in hospital or making them limp along whenever they use Pistol.
£8.99/month is too expensive to just RP.
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Here's an Incarnate who might not be seen as "fit".|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Only if you're under the generalized assumption that all incarnates are of the categorization of 'fit'.
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Rub da belly!
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Sure there is. Tap on the run arrow, and you will keep stopping. |
Originally Posted by Arctic_Princess
There is a workaround for jumping already in game. Depending on how long you hold the spacebar will change the height you jump. So, very quickly tapping the spacebar will cause the character to do a little hoppy jump, holding down will extend the full height of the jump.
This also applies to characters without Hurdle/Combat Jumping/Super Jump/Ninja Run. And it's neat. Sadly the same does not happen with Swift, but then whenever I switch from playing a 50 to a level 1-10, I find running terrible (slow terrible). Hence why I love Ninja Run, even on robots. And I RP. And I live with the fact that Hellions should be putting any of my characters in hospital or making them limp along whenever they use Pistol. £8.99/month is too expensive to just RP. |
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True story; I Tried to play Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas as a fat CJ. It doesn't really work out too well. Given the amount of crazy athletics they require out of you, CJ always winds up being ridiculously buff and skinny. The best I could ever manage was just a really ripped, fat guy.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I'm under the impression that I have yet to see an incarnate in the game that wasn't fit (great regeneration and recovery ie Health/Stamina).
I'm under the impression that I don't see a normal human maintaining an unfit lifestyle doing the activities one would need to do to reach level 50, without the side effect of getting into a fit shape. I'm under the impression that I've seen a lot of "Oh my end issues! Lower the cost of powers! I always have to take Stamina, and I want to take other stuff!" now only to see the reverse of "Ack! You gave us what we wanted, and now we don't!" |
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3. RP in a no-powers area: Studio B, Trading House, Loyalist Lounge. They shut off even inherent powers.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
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