So we not getting any free new costume with next issues?
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Posted on: 2010-10-07 03:00 in Player Questions
Angelx: I don't see the problem with "you want new stuff, now." The problem for me is your style of argument.
I may be a fanboy, I may be old and fat and going bald, I may be smelly and live in my parents' basement but THAT DOES NOT ACTUALLY PROVE ME WRONG. Arguing on slander instead of facts is lazy and implies that you'd rather not think.
I believe, as you have said, we are at the end of the discussion.
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Slander?
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Maybe you fanboys are so conformist, and thats a bad thing for the progress.
I didnt invent any of the things I said, so why you fanboys keep telling me those are not facts?
You cant prove me wrong.
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I think it's more a case of arguing two different topics which is why i think you've come across a "agree to disagree" moment. Both are generically related to costume additions so its gotten muddled up a bit.|
Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Pebblebrook, you totally understood my point. Even if this guy try to say the opposite, you understood me, he didnt.
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I can understand both points when it comes down to it.
/edit: Oh and may want to use a substitute word for "fanboy", that gets people into defense mode.
Lots of people are always in defensive mode in this forums when someone comes and say game isnt perfect and lacks this or that.
Thats why I call them fanboys, they are not objetive.
Gonna leave this thread alone, is a waste of time.
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Heh, i guess another disconnect, i wasn't ignoring that. I actually sort of agreed with you about it upthread. But i think that's part of what i was saying that you two were talking about slightly different topics.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Well the reason I said that was because you appeared to be ignoring the fact that the OP was also referring to how he felt things were better in the "old good times". My responses were showing that his conclusions on that are false.
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I've said this earlier but let me see if i can rephrase it...
Just to get you two using the same terms let's itemize "costume set" into its components and say its a "bunch of costume pieces".
I believe, when he mentions the good old times, what he's saying is that since the packs (let's say from wedding pack on), the "bulk" of costume pieces went into them and the free issues got only a trickle.
And the "old good times" was a time before the packs. I think he's generalizing on that bit.
So...given that, we go to the timeframe after i15 and check how many "costume pieces" went into issues and how many went into packs.
Edit: And also with that...listing all the "costume pieces" before packs, the "bulk" of those went into free issues and only a few went into packs like the GvE pack.
A reverse of what we have now.
* Edit some words for clarity.
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To be fair, the CoH DVD edition, GvE edition, and the Mac edition (plus the GR CE Goodie pack) don't really apply to this list as those were all "box release" goodies made available in a cheaper format than they were originally available in so people didn't have to go out and buy 30-40 US$ boxes.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Ummm, I15 wasn't really Pre-Boosters though.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Ok, so for clarification:
Pebblebrook, you totally understood my point. Even if this guy try to say the opposite, you understood me, he didnt. I asked for more costumes. Tights, patterns, complete costume sets, belts, shoulder pads... Ok? Last time we got those was I15. June 2009 with Ulterior and vines, and new faces, great. But thats 1 year and half ago... And yes the old times (since I08, november 2006 sounds pretty old to me in a 6 year old game) pre-boosters issues were better: I08 came with individual pieces, masks, googles, skin tights, etc.. FREE I09 came with invention made costumes... FREE I10 came with vanguard merits to unlock vanguard costume set... FREE I11 came with tons of hairstyles and weapon customization... FREE I12 came with ITF to unlock the awesome roman armor... FREE I13 came with civilian clothes... FREE So, yep after I15 we got so far: animated tails, ultramode for a few metallic pieces and combat auras plus the leaked ones, snow and fireflies for I19. That stuff added in four issues, sounds pretty weak to me in comparison with the old times pre-boosters ( Again, I08-I15 era). I just think the playerbase should push the devs a bit, so maybe we can have some balance. I want costumes sets, and only way to get them is paid boosters. And I blame myself, I got wedding, AE valkirie and all origins except mutant (weak and incomplete booster). |
See Pebble, the op has admitted that he has been talking about everything. Look at his examples So my original list of what we got during each issue applies. Out of 18 issues only 6 didn't contain free costumes.
Also did you notice that his list stopped at I8? Just after CoV was released. CoV the expansion that brought the single largest addition of Costumes to the game at one time. The costumes that we had to pay for to get.
I wonder why he'd want to stay away from that. Face it the OP had to cherrypick the facts in order to give his complaint any validity, and when flaws of his complaint were pointed out when you look at the whole picture he has gotten dismissive and insulting.
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Good point. Also the company has frequently used "complete costume sets" as an incentive to buy the box releases. Also the cost of the boxed releases has always been mitigated by the free 30 days which is basically a $15 coupon.|
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
To be fair, the CoH DVD edition, GvE edition, and the Mac edition (plus the GR CE Goodie pack) don't really apply to this list as those were all "box release" goodies made available in a cheaper format than they were originally available in so people didn't have to go out and buy 30-40 US$ boxes.
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Also with the prices of those complete editions dropping to $19.99 it usually means that buying them is cheaper than the goodie packs because the goodie packs don't come with the free 30 days.
That's why i attempted to put you both into using similar terms in my last post (apparently unsuccessfully heh) which does include both post-pack (wedding) and pre pack era. Since as i maintained, (probably due to the casual language format used), you both are talking past each other's points.
(Hehe, are we also at a "agree to disagree" stage?)
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Also did you notice that his list stopped at I8? Just after CoV was released. CoV the expansion that brought the single largest addition of Costumes to the game at one time. The costumes that we had to pay for to get.
I wonder why he'd want to stay away from that. Face it the OP had to cherrypick the facts in order to give his complaint any validity, and when flaws of his complaint were pointed out when you look at the whole picture he has gotten dismissive and insulting. |
As for the costume "pieces" from CoV, those are negated because they gave access to them to everyone in a later issue (patch?) which was during the pre-pack period (i'm sure...can't recall the date at the moment - edit: hmm, might be mistaken about that date...doubts).
Although technically, you can say CoH brought a bunch of costume pieces as a paid extra...but that's a bit of a stretch in this context.
* Wishful thinking: Well, if they do a similar patch with the pack pieces, that'll definitely end the debate.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
That's why i attempted to put you both into using similar terms in my last post (apparently unsuccessfully heh) which does include both post-pack (wedding) and pre pack era. Since as i maintained, (probably due to the casual language format used), you both are talking past each other's points.
(Hehe, are we also at a "agree to disagree" stage?) |
I'm willing to agree to disagree.
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| As for the costume "pieces" from CoV, those are negated because they gave access to them to everyone in a later issue (patch?) which was during the pre-pack period (i'm sure...can't recall the date at the moment). |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
While you do have a point it's also true that most of the player base were here when CoV was released and paid for those items, and just as CoV eventually merged with CoH becoming CoX, GR will most likely be merged with CoX in a year or two. When that happens the unique GR costumes will be available to everyone just like the unique CoV costumes are now.
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Yep, that's why i used the word "negate" since basically the pack side got the same amount as the issue side in relation to CoV pieces, albeit not at the same instant.
And if they do the same with GR, that would be welcomed by me, though we might get back to the same debate if the post-wedding pack pieces are the only ones left tipping the balance scales over.
Assuming they keep making packs in the following years.Edit: But i'll leave that to the future.
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Err, no. It wasn't that simple. They couldn't "just animate the old ones". They had to make an entirely new piece with animation. They just happened to make them look like the old ones for consistency.|
Originally Posted by Angelxman81
They didnt came with new upgraded tails, just animated the old plain oudated ones
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Lots of people are always in defensive mode in this forums when someone comes and say game isnt perfect and lacks this or that.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
So, yep after I15 we got so far: animated tails, ultramode for a few metallic pieces
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Hi? I know that, and I love ultra mode. Now, I cant imagine CoX without it.|
Originally Posted by Tyger42
Uhhh....ultramode was for a ***LOT*** more than "a few metallic pieces". Ambient occlusion, advanced shadows, environmental reflections, water effects.... Turn them all on and the world really does look a LOT different. Sadly, my computer also cries, but that's not the point.
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But just for the record, this thread is all about COSTUMES.
Not auras, weapons or upgraded graphic maps, not real shadows...
Just costume pieces and sets.
Ultramode only gave us a new reflective option in a few metallic costume pieces for that matter.
I would not be complaining in this post if they had upgraded all the metallic pieces to the same reflective new texture. But they only did it in few of the newest pieces, and now most of them not mixing well. They should convert all the metallic pieces to the very same metallic texture.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Lots of people are always in defensive mode in this forums when someone comes and say game isnt perfect and lacks this or that.
Thats why I call them fanboys, they are not objetive. Gonna leave this thread alone, is a waste of time. |
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
No, they get in a "defensive mode" because you came in and called them fanboys.... Well, before that, yeah, they disagreed with you. But that's not "getting in a defensive mode"... Get over yourself. This forum isn't divided up into "people who agree with you" and "people who are defensive fanboys".
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Of course your posting again after these posts further demonstrates how accurate your statements tend to be anyway.
The only way you're right in your asssertions is if you cherry-pick your timeframe for evaluating the release for free and paid costume pieces into a (series of) very narrow window(s) and then put your fingers in your eyes and go "lalalala! i can't read your reply!" when someone points out how inaccurate your assumptions are; which is what you've consistently done.
And just to make it clear, despite the fact that i'm automatically a fanboy just by having the gall to not agree with your wrongness, i still want to see more free costume pieces in the game. i'm just not willing to make **** up in order to ***** about not getting them all the time.
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They didn't even organize costumes into sets until Issue 12 even though they started to specifically give us sets back with GvE.
I'm plenty happy with just getting parts but it will have to until "CoH2" before we will ever see more than two colors per item as well as extensive asymmetrical parts selection. Then there's the whole issue with back details like quivers, sheaths and fixed wings.
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My policy is to assume that anyone who uses the term fanboy is always wrong. It works really well and saves lots of time.
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I read everypost but till now nobody proved me wrong.
We not getting costumes like before, all new costumes sets comes with boosters.
I dont like that, and thats why I complaining.
End of the story.
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You've obviously been very selective in your reading, then. We've had costume pieces added recently. Of course, you dismissed several as not counting. The full sets for free were always a rarity.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I read everypost but till now nobody proved me wrong.
We not getting costumes like before, all new costumes sets comes with boosters. |
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I read everypost but till now nobody proved me wrong.
We not getting costumes like before, all new costumes sets comes with boosters. I dont like that, and thats why I complaining. End of the story. |
Denial and revisionist history all in one post. At least the OP isn't an underachiever.
You keep saying we got costume pieces added recently for free...
I just cant find them.
For me a new variety of auras we already got is not a new costume piece.
A new reflective texture for few pieces is not a new costume piece.
Is easy to come and express that Im cherry picking and being selective with facts and reading, but nobody can proove and show what are those free costume pieces recently added you keep talking about.
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i17. Animated tails ( Yes, they were new pieces. You saying they aren't doesn't make them not so ) and custom pistols for MMs.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
You keep saying we got costume pieces added recently for free...
I just cant find them. For me a new variety of auras we already got is not a new costume piece. A new reflective texture for few pieces is not a new costume piece. Is easy to come and express that Im cherry picking and being selective with facts and reading, but nobody can proove and show what are those free costume pieces recently added you keep talking about. |
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although I fear this also "won't count" for the OP since NPCs get 'em too. =P
| - all new NPC groups' costumes will be given to us in each issue - they showed a screenshot of a new group in I19 that looked pretty awesome, and we'll be getting that set. |
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Is this some kind of joke? Im talking about costumes AGAIN.|
Originally Posted by Tyger42
i17. Animated tails ( Yes, they were new pieces. You saying they aren't doesn't make them not so ) and custom pistols for MMs.
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Animated tails, meh... They still look pretty damn ugly and old, animated or not. Look at the fox/wolf taild they added to the mutant pack. I see a difference.
Pistols are weapons, I love having more models but they only work for specific powersets.
Is hard to understand I meant costumes?
Like vanguard, roman, enforcer... All that stuff we had before and not getting now in a long while.
GvE bonus pack - Just before I8
Wedding Pack - Just before I12
Cyborg - Just before I13
Mac Pack - Just before I14
Magic Pack - Just before I14
SuperScience - Just after I15
So over half the packs came out before or around I15.
So you think the devs are doing the costume stuff great? Well, I dont. End of discussion.
Since I15, combat auras, metallic pieces and animated tails were a minor tweak. They didnt came with new upgraded tails, just animated the old plain oudated ones, gave us options to activate auras and reflective effect to existing pieces.
So ok, dates:
Post I15 minor tweaks VS 3 origins boosters (Sci, Ninja and Mutant), GR Alpha & Omega pack and party emote pack (LMAO)
I still dont see the balance. And you?