So we not getting any free new costume with next issues?

I usually don't like splitting hairs, but CoV wasn't an expansion, it was a GAME.

GR is explicitly an expansion, and has an appropriate level of content.
CoV *could* be used as an expansion of CoH, but it was also playable as a stand-alone game, which is what many of us did with it before they 'merged' the two.

And as you note CoV shipped with a 'game' price tag.

The thing is gameplay gets a bit repetitive, at least to me after 4 years playing. New powers, systems and mecanics were added but basicly, we doing the same the whole time. But Im still here because I love the game.
Since I started playing 4 years ago Im waiting for some things, like avatars upgrades, power pool and epics customization, more choices for APP and PPP, martial arts for blaster secondary, SG self/ offline invites... Nothing "really impossible" for engine like superspeed on buildings and most of them very requested things.
But issue after issue, those things never come, and even today, still are far away or will never be added.
And is a bit sad, because I always got the feeling they could be added a bit more with each issue. Its taking too long to slowly get things "done" to have a better game.
Just that, I get sad to have to "keep waiting" for the next issue everytime.
Maybe Im too impacient, but hey, Im 4 years waiting, lol

PS: Gotta say thanks because power customization was almost said "impossible" to implement and one day we got it. That was Nº1 on my wish list.

Personally I agree with you 110% but I've gotten tired of arguing otherwise with people in other threads after all these years.

Quite frankly, that's true of every MMO.

This is the first I've heard of it in 6+ years myself.

Agree period. But I was never a MMO player, CoX was my first MMO and I been playing it for four years... And Im not going anywhere by now because I think it keeps getting better, specially since Paragon studios own the franchise without Cryptic.

ditto.

Now if you were talking pistol melee for scrappers.....THAT has a fan base.

I've been seeing regular requests for it since Dual Pistols went into its beta test, and even then those requests got a lot of responses like, "This again?"

To be fair, I'm for it. I think it'd be a good concept-filling powerset, even though it wouldn't really bring anything new or exciting to the table. Some people just wanna build Blappers, even though they end up less effective than someone who takes a more mitigative secondary. It's a different play style which some people enjoy, and those people want something other than Energy Melee available for their Blapping fix.

We now return you back to your regularly scheduled flame war where everyone who points out contrary information to someone's opinions is either a troll or fanboi.

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Well, I cant not get irony while reading so I dont know if you kidding me or something... But that is requested a lot as blaster secondary, in suggestions theme you can find threads about it, and also in the threads about proliferation.
People asking for some kind of combat manipulation set, mixing some attacks from martial arts or even ninjitsu. I think it would be awesome for dual pistols, archery, riffle and fills the lack of blaster secondaries for human characters concepts.
Blasters need more secondaries, 10 primaries vs 6 secondaries seems a bit unbalanced for me but thats another matter.

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I can't say as I've seen it (specifically MA, not blappers in general) very often if at all in the suggestions forum. If it gets discussed in the Blaster forums then no I've never seen it because I don't go into the individual archetype forums.

So it's not ironic it's just that it's discussed in places I don't participate in. So I can believe Tyger and others may not have heard of it either.

I must be reading another forums, but martial arts as blaster secondary is been resquested A LOT lately, specially since players saw Maelstrom using some martial attacks with dual pistols. It looks great.
Pistol melee for scrappers? What is that, hitting mobs in the head with a gun?
Just curious...

You pretty much nailed the question everyone with two brain cells asks when this gets brought up.

"If I have a gun why am I hitting you with it?"

The general idea people asking for it are going for are point-blank fancy shots thrown in with some actual punches and kicks.

I was being facetious Tyger. Note my use of the silly face emote.

(1) With no buffs at all, the Scrapper power should hit 12.5% harder and have a good chance of critting. But Blasters get damage buffs just for attacking, so it's closer than it looks.
(2) Depends on what you mean there. The only respectable mitigation in my opinion is Ice and Devices, and I'd rather break my right pinky than play Devices to 50. I believe on Fulminator I can drop a boss in melee range, 12 seconds start to end, but I haven't timed that. BU and Aim are 10 seconds each and the boss drops about when Aim does... hard hitting melee attacks are a core part of my blaster playstyle.
(3)Electric and fire both have some fast-activating, heavy melee hitters. The good Energy Manip attacks are very similar to the good Elec Manip attacks.

I stand corrected!

this is the first I've heard of it.

hey it's not as bad as that!


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I'm sure with enough repetition this might become true.

Most definitely and I never suggested otherwise. Just stating what I heard from a lot of friends at the time. Personally I don't really care that much about costumes as long as I can more or less make what I set out to make. Which I generally can. At the same time I know the costume creator is this games best asset, so I understand those that want it to be continually and frequently improved upon.

Regarding the price to size aspect of GR I know personally I would have rather paid more and gotten more. I understand not everyone feels that way, but I do because we seem to more or less get a finite number of updates. Paying less and getting less is logical, but it doesn't seem to translate to an increase in frequency.

To clarify I look at the dance emote pack. I (and most others) want to give PS our money for updates and we look forward to the MT packs because they have features we can gobble up in addition to the normal updates. They only come a handful of times a year so when the dance pack largely sucked it isn't a matter of just not buying it because we now have to wait several months for the next booster to come out.

You get used to things being a certain way in the Pavlovian sense very quickly. MT packs satisfy x needs and major paid game updates satisfy x needs. When they don't the fact that it cost $2 less and $10+ less respectively, doesn't really matter to my satisfaction level. It matters to my valuation of the product, but at the end of the day I"m still left wanting (a lot) more and their being no way to get it from this product.

If GR eventually gets the things it was missing due to the cheaper cost that will be great. At such a time that will add great value to the package if/when they eventually show up.

From what I just read from Savage this isn't the case and was just a misinformed rumor. The IDF pieces seem to be like the other npc pieces in that they will 'eventually' make it into the creator.

Sometimes I'm torn with their information delivery techniques. I like hearing what they have planned, but they always seem to announce it too early because the actual execution is way way down the road.

The devs are kind of screwed when it comes to disseminating information. If they don't say anything they get accused of not caring, and when they do drop hints, it's too early and people imagine and speculate what we'll get then are disappointed when the reality doesn't live up to what they fantasized we'd be getting. Furthermore the devs still get accused of not caring because some group didn't get their pet desires fulfilled.