So we not getting any free new costume with next issues?
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Amy_Amp,
Posted on: 2010-10-07 03:00 in Player Questions
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Then you didn't understand the OP correctly. In the past we've had to wait a lot longer than a year and a half for "complete sets". We didn't regularly get free complete sets until after NCSoft bought the game from Cryptic. I think the first one we got for free was the "plant" set we got in issue 7 which was 26 months after launch.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
I think i mentioned costume "sets" not piece and i17 did have pieces but not a full set, which i think was the OP's point.
/edit: A set as in something similar to what you find in the boosters. If i understood the OP correctly. |
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Well during this reactivation period everyone has access to GR stuff as if it was a trial account, level 14 cap for characters started there, so I imagine the GR costumes are also unlocked for this weekend.
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Originally Posted by The Grim Heaper
oddly, he can access those too
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See i think that's another disconnect between you two.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then you didn't understand the OP correctly. In the past we've had to wait a lot longer than a year and a half for "complete sets". We didn't regularly get free complete sets until after NCSoft bought the game from Cryptic.
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You're talking about a timeframe before the packs and he's talking about the time after the packs, which are both overlap NCSoft's buyout of CoX.
/edit: More specifically the time after i15.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Seems this way.
Since boosters went on sale, we didnt had a new costume pack for free. Ok, we got new faces at I15 and those tight/pattern ulterior and vines. Then just a minor upgrade like animated tails. |
/edit: Seems clear to me that he's apparently trying to say the bulk of new costume stuff came from packs and the free issues got a trickle since or because of boosters.
In essence, it looks like you two are talking about two different topics, though both are costume related.
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So, moving the goalposts?|
Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
I think i mentioned costume "sets" not piece and i17 did have pieces but not a full set, which i think was the OP's point.
/edit: A set as in something similar to what you find in the boosters. If i understood the OP correctly. |
Obviously, as Forbin pointed out, if you're talking complete sets and not individual pieces then there's never been a time since launch that we received them with any regularity for free, and only with some regularity as paid options since the booster packs started being marketed. So, uhh... yeah, now this complaint makes even less sense. Few costume sets were added before booster packs were introduced, and even most of those were either perks that came with purchasing a particular box (and thus not free) or gated as veteran rewards. (Technically free with enough time spent subscribed.)
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Except that new costumes pieces were less frequent before boosters. Depending on whether the Good vs. Evil box counts as a booster since its costume pieces were a perk for buying a particular box. In which case... *huh* Booster packs have been around for most of the game's existence.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
/edit: Seems clear to me that he's apparently trying to say the bulk of new costume stuff came from packs and the free issues got a trickle since or because of boosters.
In essence, it looks like you two are talking about two different topics, though both are costume related. |
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Actually i'm seeing that one they're aiming at two different goal posts.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
So, moving the goalposts?
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OP is mostly talking about microstransactions getting the costumes and free issues not so much.
I kinda like what the OP has to say. I would like to see actual costume pieces added. The ones added for free have been underwhelming.
The Booster Packs have pretty much done in free costume pieces, IMO. These boosters have been a bit weak at times. However, many bought these and that tells NC Soft that there is money to be made. I can see why free costume pieces have been few and far between (I mean actual costume pieces).
It'd be nice if the boosters were priced a bit better but ah well. $10 is a bit much when you look at some packs in the store.
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Don't forget the upgrade to metallic pieces with ultra mode to get reflections.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Minor... time consuming and oftrequested... upgrade like animated tails.
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That's a good point actually. Though at the time, those are rare so it didn't garner as much bitterness as MTs are today just because of their frequency.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Depending on whether the Good vs. Evil box counts as a booster since its costume pieces were a perk for buying a particular box. In which case... *huh* Booster packs have been around for most of the game's existence.
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2004
CoH box
CoH DVD collector
2005
CoV box
2006
GvE box
GvE item pack
2007 ( NCSoft buyout of CoX )
server transfer MT
character rename MT
2008
wedding pack
character slots MT
character respec MT
booster1-tech
jetpack 30 day temp
2009
Mac CoX box
Mac item pack
AE box
AE story slot MT
booster2-magic
booster3-science
booster4-martial
2010
booster5-mutant
GR soundtrack (iTunes/Amazon)
GR box
GR item pack
party pack
Edit: list for errors
* Added CoH DVD collector's edition (cape)
* Removed In-game ads (not MT)
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No he's not. the OP clearly said|
Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
See i think that's another disconnect between you two.
You're talking about a timeframe before the packs and he's talking about the time after the packs, which are both overlap NCSoft's buyout of CoX. /edit: More specifically the time after i15. |
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| At least in the old good times we get new costumes for free |
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No what happened is that Diggis asked a question.|
Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Actually i'm seeing that one they're aiming at two different goal posts.
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| So what inaccuracies has the OP passed off as fact? So far no one has been able to prove otherwise, despite saying they have |
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| OP is mostly talking about microstransactions getting the costumes and free issues not so much. |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No he's not. the OP clearly said
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And you don't think he was referring to the "old good times" as "pre-booster era"?
Not trying to judge the OP but it sounds like english is not his primary language so hard to say, but from looking at other parts of the OP it does look like he meant before boosters.
So it's sounds like his gripe is with the introduction of those packs more than anything else.
edit: Or attributes (blames?) the funneling of costumes into packs.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Since boosters went on sale...
Maybe buying those boosters was no a good idea... At least in the old good times we get new costumes for free. |
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You are the one that's been trying to say the OP's post only applies to I15 and onward. |
Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
And you don't think he was referring to the "old good times" as "pre-booster era"?
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I think you should read some of Golden Girls posts before continuing with the mental gymnastics your putting yourself thru. Your attempts to twist the OP's statements are failing miserably.
As to the rest, in your own post you've shown that every year since 2004 this game has offered a new booster that contained at least one new costume piece.
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Heh, and this is where i came in saying something like you two might be talking about two different things. You're referrring to any addition to the costume editor (pieces) and he's pointing to the costumes in packs. You went for the entire history and he's confining to the last 1.5 years.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
So I responded with the list of what we got in the past 18 issues which contradicts what the OP has stated by showing when we got free costume pieces and how far apart they were.
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In that timeline (i15 ish) you are right that pieces (tails, pistols) were added for free, while he's looking at costume sets from booster 2, 3, 4, 5 and GR pack from the same span of time.
edit: I guess the OP is seeing the disparity between the quantity and frequency of free costume additions and paid costume additions (to be more generic)
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Hmm...|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You are the one that's been trying to say the OP's post only applies to I15 and onward.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
...didnt got cake in this matter for 4 issues by now. Thats almost 1 year and half.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I just dont like the fact that we dont have any new FREE costume since I15.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I said we not getting free costume sets in free Issues since I15, with the few exceptions I listed in my post.
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If he was limiting himself to everything after I15 then he can't say anything about the good old times we got costumes for free. Complete costume sets were being sold as far back as 2005. I think the first free complete set we got was in issue 7 the plant set in 2006. Before that before that it was an assortment individual pieces.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Heh, and this is where i came in saying something like you two might be talking about two different things. You're referrring to any addition to the costume editor (pieces) and he's pointing to the costumes in packs. You went for the entire history and he's confining to the last 1.5 years.
In that timeline (i15 ish) you are right that pieces (tails, pistols) were added for free, while he's looking at costume sets from booster 2, 3, 4, 5 and GR pack from the same span of time. |
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That i might agree with. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
If he was limiting himself to everything after I15 then he can't say anything about the good old times we got costumes for free.
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Though i try, i don't have a complete picture of what's in his head when he said that portion, just a suspicion that he's generalizing the time before boosters.
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You can cut and paste all you like it to take the OP's posts out of context. We can still read the originals in their complete form.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Hmm...
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By all means you can review them. I cut for emphasis to show that i was not the one confining the OP to the i15+ timeline as you claimed.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You can cut and paste all you like it to take the OP's posts out of context. We can still read the originals in their complete form.
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For clarification, this part of the conversation is not about the OP. You got me on the defensive when you said this to me:
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You are the one that's been trying to say the OP's post only applies to I15 and onward.
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Well the reason I said that was because you appeared to be ignoring the fact that the OP was also referring to how he felt things were better in the "old good times". My responses were showing that his conclusions on that are false.|
Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
By all means you can review them. I cut for emphasis to show that i was not the one confining the OP to the i15+ timeline as you claimed.
edit: For clarification, this part of the conversation is not about the OP. You got me on the defensive when you said this to me: |
1. Out of 18 issues only 6 of them didn't include new costume pieces. (I forgot we got costume recipes in I9)
2. If he's limiting things to complete costume sets, then he's wrong because 99% of the costume sets we have came with paid booster/expansions. The biggest influx of complete sets came with the purchase of CoV.
3. The old good times never existed. This game has had paid booster/expansions/microtransactions since it launched in 2004 and something new has been added each year.
4. 99% of the costume pieces that get added in free issues are miscellaneous items that fall under categories like Hair, Faces, Hats, Weapons, Chest Symbols, Skirts, Wings, Capes, Auras, etc.
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Thanks for that list. Exaggeration is possibly a good term for it. The tails were a good addition and you left out the addition of the metallic reflection items (did they leave legacy items in there or was it a forced change? I recall something about leaving legacy items in there but not sure) in I17.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I1 - June 29, 2004 - No new costume pieces
I2 - September 16, 2004 - Capes and Auras I3 - January 4, 2005 - No new costume pieces I4 - May 4, 2005 - New costume pieces added along with body scaling I5 - August 31, 2005 - No new costume pieces I6 - October 27, 2005 - No new costume pieces I7 - June 6, 2006 - New costume pieces added I8 - November 28, 2006 - New costume pieces added I9 - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 - No new costume pieces I10 - July 24, 2007 - New costume pieces I11 - November 28, 2007 - New costume pieces added I12 - May 20, 2008 - New costume pieces added I13 - December 2, 2008 - New costume pieces added with the introduction of the Shields power set. I14 - Wednesday, April 8, 2009 - New costume pieces added. I15 - June 29, 2009 - New Costume pieces added I16 - August 5, 2009 - No new costume pieces I17 - March 2, 2010 - New costume pieces added. Animated tails, New pistols for Thugs MM's I18 - August 16, 2010 - No new costume pieces Furthermore due to a glitch on the costume creator players had the chance to preview new auras that were not intended to be released yet. So it's clear to anyone that actually looks at the 18 issues that there were only 7 times we didn't get new choices added costume creator for free. So his statement that we haven't gotten new costume pieces in a year and a half is a blatant exaggeration. The only time we had to wait over a year for more "free" costume pieces to be added was back in 2005 - 2006 between issues 4 and 7. |
I'm not sure I consider weapons as costume items, solely because it's tied to a specific power set. It's more like saying Power Customisation added new costume items. It's still part of the costume creator but... However, I can see how people consider them costume parts.
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I also forgot that we got costume recipes with I9, but I tried to make it as comprehensive as I could.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Thanks for that list. Exaggeration is possibly a good term for it. The tails were a good addition and you left out the addition of the metallic reflection items (did they leave legacy items in there or was it a forced change? I recall something about leaving legacy items in there but not sure) in I17.
I'm not sure I consider weapons as costume items, solely because it's tied to a specific power set. It's more like saying Power Customisation added new costume items. It's still part of the costume creator but... However, I can see how people consider them costume parts. |
Ok, so for clarification:
Pebblebrook, you totally understood my point. Even if this guy try to say the opposite, you understood me, he didnt.
I asked for more costumes. Tights, patterns, complete costume sets, belts, shoulder pads... Ok? Last time we got those was I15. June 2009 with Ulterior and vines, and new faces, great. But thats 1 year and half ago...
And yes the old times (since I08, november 2006 sounds pretty old to me in a 6 year old game) pre-boosters issues were better:
I08 came with individual pieces, masks, googles, skin tights, etc.. FREE
I09 came with invention made costumes... FREE
I10 came with vanguard merits to unlock vanguard costume set... FREE
I11 came with tons of hairstyles and weapon customization... FREE
I12 came with ITF to unlock the awesome roman armor... FREE
I13 came with civilian clothes... FREE
So, yep after I15 we got so far: animated tails, ultramode for a few metallic pieces and combat auras plus the leaked ones, snow and fireflies for I19. That stuff added in four issues, sounds pretty weak to me in comparison with the old times pre-boosters ( Again, I08-I15 era).
I just think the playerbase should push the devs a bit, so maybe we can have some balance. I want costumes sets, and only way to get them is paid boosters. And I blame myself, I got wedding, AE valkirie and all origins except mutant (weak and incomplete booster).
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Ok, so for clarification:
Pebblebrook, you totally understood my point. Even if this guy try to say the opposite, you understood me, he didnt. I asked for more costumes. Tights, patterns, complete costume sets, belts, shoulder pads... Ok? Last time we got those was I15. June 2009 with Ulterior and vines, and new faces, great. But thats 1 year and half ago... And yes the old times (since I08, november 2006 sounds pretty old to me in a 6 year old game) pre-boosters issues were better: I08 came with individual pieces, masks, googles, skin tights, etc.. FREE I09 came with invention made costumes... FREE I10 came with vanguard merits to unlock vanguard costume set... FREE I11 came with tons of hairstyles and weapon customization... FREE I12 came with ITF to unlock the awesome roman armor... FREE I13 came with civilian clothes... FREE So, yep after I15 we got so far: animated tails, ultramode for a few metallic pieces and combat auras plus the leaked ones, snow and fireflies for I19. That stuff added in four issues, sounds pretty weak to me in comparison with the old times pre-boosters ( Again, I08-I15 era). I just think the playerbase should push the devs a bit, so maybe we can have some balance. I want costumes sets, and only way to get them is paid boosters. And I blame myself, I got wedding, AE valkirie and all origins except mutant (weak and incomplete booster). |
Ummm, I15 wasn't really Pre-Boosters though.
GvE bonus pack - Just before I8
Wedding Pack - Just before I12
Cyborg - Just before I13
Mac Pack - Just before I14
Magic Pack - Just before I14
SuperScience - Just after I15
So over half the packs came out before or around I15.
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