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Who said he didnt respect the stories? There is a big difference between not respecting them based on the quality of the stories and simply saying it would be to difficult to keep track of 15 different books a year acrossed 3 different generations in the universe and keep it all canon. So he did like other large properties have done like star trek and basicly says his movies come first, anything else not contridicted by those is fine. Thats not disrespecting that preventing nerdraged arguments before they start.
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Originally Posted by Bronze Knight
That would be the Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy written by Timothy Zahn. But seeing as how GL has no respect at all for the books, I doubt we will ever see it.
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I thought this as well. Even if not a live action movie, when you see the quality of some of the 3-5 minute game cinematics that are being released, especially for star wars products like FU and OR I for one would be perfectly happy with a full lenght movie for FU that reached that level of realism. I think if he could whip something like that up and it did well we might be alot closer to seeing something like the thrawn trilogy on screen. One thing Lucas has always maintianed he is more comfortable in the editing room then the directors chair. And making a CG movie might be alot more to his liking them filming again.
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Originally Posted by MrsAlphaOne
What would be cool is if they made a movie based on The Force Unleashed. Lucas says it's cannon so why the hell not?
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I find it a fascinating phenomenon that people feel personally violated when their favorite version of something ceases to be the "definitive" version. I'm not saying "you people"; I get that way, too.
A lot of people could simply opt to not watch this film. Instead, people are feeling strong emotional reactions on the subject.
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
I find it a fascinating phenomenon that people feel personally violated when their favorite version of something ceases to be the "definitive" version. I'm not saying "you people"; I get that way, too.
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As for me, he, i'll see them, i lack nerdrage here, i'm already guessing that the podracing scene and the trench scene will likely benefit.
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i'd try to slip in an h. ross perot reference, but im probably dating myself there.
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Aside from testing new 3D tech, this can also be Lucas' chance to shall we say....streamline all 6 in terms of plot and dialogue for a more cohesive fit between the originals and the prequels.
Also this could be an opportunity to improve the saber battles of the originals to match the prequels in terms of Jedi acrobatics and super speed saber fights. Ep 4 and 6 could use this, the fight in Ep 5 doesn't really need it.
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You're still gonna watch it. 3 more times, the day it's released and say it's the worst..movie Evar
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But you'd still give him the money.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
Who said he didnt respect the stories? There is a big difference between not respecting them based on the quality of the stories and simply saying it would be to difficult to keep track of 15 different books a year acrossed 3 different generations in the universe and keep it all canon. So he did like other large properties have done like star trek and basicly says his movies come first, anything else not contridicted by those is fine. Thats not disrespecting that preventing nerdraged arguments before they start.
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Ok mabey that coment was a bit out there, even so. My real issues are the appearance and dialog about the Death Star in II with no mention of the Maw Complex. Moreover the Katana fleet, was never mentioned at all in I or II where it would have fit in perfectly.
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This would be the perfect chance to edit the prequels into something decent, if possible.
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This would be the perfect chance to edit the prequels into something decent, if possible.
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Still, if George thinks he can make another 100 million dollars out of it, I'm sure he'll give it a shot.
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and thankfully, until someone kicks the door down and starts spraying bullets, im allowed to express my own particular opinion and tell those people that they're wrong. because obviously there are people who DON'T like what's been done to Star Wars, i don't get how because they're displeased with what's been done, their opinions are any less valid than the folks who do like the movies. Or that just because someone does like what George has done, they have to keep their mouths shut. |
Originally Posted by MrsAlphaOne
Until you have a few million dollars and learn how to direct films properly, STFU. It's George's baby. HIS universe HIS vision. You don't have to pay up if you don't like it. There are obviously people who DO like it.
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if a couple of new Star Wars movies looked like the CG cinematics for Old Republic of Force Unleashed as opposed to the Clone Wars, i would totally throw cash down for it. Though, at this point, i don't want to really see Lucas dipping even more Clone Wars/Civil War era of Star Wars. i'd rather he just sit back and let the other folk who've developed some awesome story material for SW make any new movies.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
I thought this as well. Even if not a live action movie, when you see the quality of some of the 3-5 minute game cinematics that are being released, especially for star wars products like FU and OR I for one would be perfectly happy with a full lenght movie for FU that reached that level of realism. I think if he could whip something like that up and it did well we might be alot closer to seeing something like the thrawn trilogy on screen. One thing Lucas has always maintianed he is more comfortable in the editing room then the directors chair. And making a CG movie might be alot more to his liking them filming again.
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and as I said if you don't like the movies, don't go. don't go and fork out cash then start ******** and moaning about how ****** they are. It's that simple. Those who went to Ep1 said it was horrible, and still went to see Eps2-3, knowing that Lucas was putting out sub par movies that ***** their childhood with a wooden baseball bat wielded by a creepy looking bear. (That's the gist of what I got from the nerd rage anyway)|
Originally Posted by Veritech
and thankfully, until someone kicks the door down and starts spraying bullets, im allowed to express my own particular opinion and tell those people that they're wrong. because obviously there are people who DON'T like what's been done to Star Wars, i don't get how because they're displeased with what's been done, their opinions are any less valid than the folks who do like the movies. Or that just because someone does like what George has done, they have to keep their mouths shut.
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Personally, the only beef I had with the prequels was Ep1: Jarjar. The acting was ok. Ep2: nothing really horrible about it that I can point out..over the top melodramatic acting definitely... Ep3: Horrible acting. I think that's about it.
Lucas needed to step up and really DIRECT. The acting between Padme and Anakin was very forced...(Pun intended)
Those are the only critiques I have. Unlike some nerds, I don't base my entire life around my assumptions on how other peoples works of art should be.
I don't rage when a novel doesn't pan out how I expect/want it to, I don't rage when a director/screenwriter doesn't make a movie the way I want him/her to. That is life.
I have been known to completely abandon a novel series in the middle of it if it starts to get dry (Sword of Truth I'm looking at you).
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Originally Posted by Bronze Knight
Ok mabey that coment was a bit out there, even so. My real issues are the appearance and dialog about the Death Star in II with no mention of the Maw Complex. Moreover the Katana fleet, was never mentioned at all in I or II where it would have fit in perfectly.
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'... ALSO DARKSABER WAS A STUPID BOOK TOO.'
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Originally Posted by MrsAlphaOne
and as I said if you don't like the movies, don't go. don't go and fork out cash then start ******** and moaning about how ****** they are. It's that simple. Those who went to Ep1 said it was horrible, and still went to see Eps2-3, knowing that Lucas was putting out sub par movies that ***** their childhood with a wooden baseball bat wielded by a creepy looking bear. (That's the gist of what I got from the nerd rage anyway)
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sunnuva *****.
it's not as if people went in to the first of the prequels (eh, most people anyway) thinking "oh yeah, this is gonna be a ****fest." then when george admitted things weren't really as good as he wanted them, he kept telling fans that he'd do better, and didn't. To be honest, i found the third one to be a pretty decent movie. But that's not going to stop me from looking at it critically and realizing there were an incredible amount of flaws with it. What IS wrong, isn't that I'm going to shell out money for these prequels... again... (because, hey if you havent figured it out, im not) ...other people ARE and the gobs of money Lucas is going to make off that is just going to convince him that he did no wrong.
so again, i say, "releasing the movie in 3-D? meh, to hell with the prequels, but at least i can go see the original trilogy on the big screen again. let's just hope he doesn't screw with them even more to fit his skewed, frelled up vision."
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
I find it a fascinating phenomenon that people feel personally violated when their favorite version of something ceases to be the "definitive" version. I'm not saying "you people"; I get that way, too.
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I actually don't mind if he thinks he's making "improvements" to things because today's technology will allow him to do things he couldn't do 20 or 30 years ago. But when he talks about it he makes it sound like the old version of movie X, Y or Z is utter crap compared to his new shiny version. His strange apparent hatred for his own prior work comes off as silly when you recall it was the "old crappy" versions of his movies that got him to where he is today.
Sure a new version -might- be better in some ways and it's certainly different, but by stressing the idea that we the fans should effectively pretend the original version never existed in favor of the new version I think he basically oversteps his credibility. He seems to have no concept of the idea that the new version of movie X, Y or Z can coexist with the old and that they can both stand together and have different subsets of fans for different reasons.
Oddly he seems to have no respect for his own prior work as the foundation of his success. I understand that when he's promoting a new version of a movie he wants to have everyone come out to see it. I just think he'd do much better to hype the new version of the movies as positive products in their own right rather than as an opportunity to openly attack his prior works as if they were merely "rough drafts" or somesuch. I simply don't think he has to actively tear down the old versions to make his new versions seem better - I think they can stand on their own.
I don't really care if he literally does think his original movies are crap rough drafts.
I just think he wouldn't piss as many people off if he didn't publicly stress that point of view too much.
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meh, it wasn't as good as some of the other novels, but Darksaber was far from being all that bad. (and there was nothing wrong with the Jedi Academy books dagnabbit!)
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Could we compromise and have them mention the Maw complex, then say 'AND THERE IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING CALLED A SUNCRUSHER THERE'?
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Originally Posted by Kelenar
Could we compromise and have them mention the Maw complex, then say 'AND THERE IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING CALLED A SUNCRUSHER THERE'?
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Originally Posted by Veritech
and there are the ones who went to episode 1 thinking "well yeah it was total crap, but it was still Star Wars!" the next one will be better...
...2 movies later... sunnuva *****. it's not as if people went in to the first of the prequels (eh, most people anyway) thinking "oh yeah, this is gonna be a ****fest." then when george admitted things weren't really as good as he wanted them, he kept telling fans that he'd do better, and didn't. To be honest, i found the third one to be a pretty decent movie. But that's not going to stop me from looking at it critically and realizing there were an incredible amount of flaws with it. What IS wrong, isn't that I'm going to shell out money for these prequels... again... (because, hey if you havent figured it out, im not) ...other people ARE and the gobs of money Lucas is going to make off that is just going to convince him that he did no wrong. so again, i say, "releasing the movie in 3-D? meh, to hell with the prequels, but at least i can go see the original trilogy on the big screen again. let's just hope he doesn't screw with them even more to fit his skewed, frelled up vision." |
Good things about Ep 3:
1. Minimal presence of Jar Jar and he was silent the whole time.
2. We get to see the Wookie homeplanet, a cameo of Chewbacca, and an army of Wookies which most certainly is an apology for how we couldn't get a Wookie army in ROTJ due to budget and FX constraints back in the day.
3. Mace Windu in action against Sidious
4. Yoda vs. Sidious. Nice seeing two Force Masters slug it out.
5. The legendary Anakin/Vader vs. Obi Wan battle
6. James Earl Jones returns to provide the voice of Vader.
Ew.
I'm a pretty big Star Wars fan, but that's by way of the EU. I was never that big on the original movies, and my favorite one is still probably ep 3.
But I never saw Avatar. Don't plan on changing that either. Hell, the only 3D movie I've seen in theatres recently was Monsters vs Aliens, though that'll change if Marvel sticks to making Thor 3D or for Potter, whichever is first.
Still... sucks to this. They only way I'd set foot in theatres for this is if the movies were also fine-tuned in the process, which probably won't happen.
And I'm also an advocate of the theatre experience, but for crying out loud, Spike TV has a marathon of all 6 movies at the drop of a hat.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
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meh, it wasn't as good as some of the other novels, but Darksaber was far from being all that bad. (and there was nothing wrong with the Jedi Academy books dagnabbit!)
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Originally Posted by Kelenar
Eh, I was overall okay with Jedi Academy, but the Suncrusher itself was just dumb. In a period when there were way too many ridiculous superweapons being churned out in the EU, it held the King of Ridiculous crown.
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The Suncrusher was an interesting concept, but it wasn't as silly as Admiral Daala suddenly deciding to attack the Republic with her four ships and then suddenly she loses one to the Suncrusher, and then slowly loses the other two. Great command tactics.....
Now the Darksaber book was fine, but the Darksaber weapon itself was ridiculous, come on essentially it was a giant lightsaber flying through space! I was having Star Trek: Doomsday Machine flashbacks!
Children of the Jedi had perhaps the most interesting super weapon; the Eye of Palpatine.
Oh, and Crystal Star was more horrid then all the prequels combined.
Yes, a lot of Avatar is CGI but the great thing about CGI is that you can render stereoscopic frames. Because everything in the computer is defined in three dimensions you can render separate left and right eye frames. You can't do that with Star Wars. The best you'll get is an approximation and so you wind up with something that looks more like Clash of the Titans than Avatar.
I agree that the step-by-step process it took to make Avatar a finished 3D product was different than what it'll take for Star Wars because the "initial" source comes from different media. But once you get these things to the "digital" media form they can be processed in basically the same way to generate the final product.
Admittedly I don't expect Star Wars to look exactly like Avatar.
But I highly doubt it's going to look "bad" no matter how it turns out.
Well, and this is precisely why Lucas has been researching and testing and trying to come up with the right technology in order to achieve that.
When they announced that they wanted to release the saga in theatres in 3D, he said they weren't going to do it until they figured out how they could do it and do it well.
This has been known to be going on and known to have been in the works for quite some time.
We'll see what they managed to pull off and how well they got this to work.
Beyond making money off of the franchise and these movies and continuing its public presence and continuing it on to new generations and all of that...
Lucas does things like this because he is somewhat of an engineer at heart.
An artist doesn't just do things to please others (Nor just to make money)... sometimes it is about overcoming certain obstacles/limitations, breaking down barriers, inventing new ways and new tools.
I think that is what interests him the most about this project.
That and... to some people, the idea is just big dumb fun.
But yeah... the whole reason it's taken all these years to do this is because they had to figure out how to do it to their liking.
I hope this means that they've figured out something pretty impressive.
(Not that the movies in 3D really mean anything more to me... I do, however, see it as a chance for some big dumb fun... an aspect of things that is oft overlooked by the moaning aged-ed people).
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