So those obsolete ATs

LOL learn how to read...
Boy if mez is anywhere near as bad as you seem to think it is those first 40 levels must have been rough.

Get real.

There seems to be a few trolls on this board that don't know how metaphors work. This is an example of hyperbole. The Tanker is not literally immovable, there's no inherent KB protection, nor is the Tanker literally irresistible. We don't get attacks that ignore resistance. It applies to AVs insofar as the description of a Scrapper did. The description is meant to convey in strong terms that the Tanker can doll out a lot of damage whilst being someone who does not go down easily.

This.
There's nothing in the description that would suggest (even if English isn't your first language and you mistake the rhetoric for literalism) that they can one shot an AV, or even take them down in 60 seconds. If the Tanker is built with soloing AVs in mind by a player who has half an idea of what she's doing, the Tanker will solo AVs.

It's simple.

I've spent more time on Stalkers since GR came out, than I have in the preceding 3 years.



I don't know pot, kettle had a pretty good argument.

Angel Red
"We're heroes. Fighting injustice is the thing we do." ~Rebel Scum

Good one, coal. Epitomizing trolling while accusing someone else... classic.

I left COH back in 2004 for that game, and when they started seriously "screwing" with Paladins is when I came back to COH. I should have stayed here.

If hes pot are you saying I have to go on a diet

Taken in context and on a general examination, yes Blasters do drop dead as a result of mez more than any other AT. It is a huge part of why attack-while-mezzed was given to them, but don't mistake that with the devlopers elevating them out of their last place position when it comes to being susceptible to mez. That is by design. They are less susceptible than they once were, but still in dead last place.
These AT's by and large have a multitude of tools at their disposal to reduce or negate the threat of mezzers in the first place. Much more than blasters.

Even mentioning doms makes me question if you are being serious. Not only is a huge aspect of their game actively mezzing enemies prior to engaging them, they have domination, which even at lvl 1 and before any sort of build maturation provides significant mez protection for a solid portion of the time.

If you were being serious with that last statement then I feel bad for you. If you just kidding then good troll I guess.

Well I can state as a fact that corruptors working together can easily outdamage blasters working together. That largely works as intended in the game that focuses so heavily on very strong buffs/debuffs.

A team of 8 corrs does heaps more damage than a team of 8 blasters along with being infinitely more survivable. The only point worth debating is at what point does adding a raw damage dealer like a blaster become a better choice than adding an additional corruptor. That answer will depend on the specific combo, but from a general standpoint it is probably rarely before the 4th to 6th corr has been added and often not at all.

So as it were, math can be hard. Or at least too hard for most people to grasp because there is a heck of a lot more involved with comparing corrs to blasters than just looking at their AT modifiers. I don't want to insult anyone that thinks that is the extent of the work involved, but it is a very ignorant position to take.


From a solo perspective there are definitely some corrs than can out damage some blasters. The most damaging solo corr probably does more damage over time than the most damaging blasters, but they are both pretty dicey (fire/kin vs fire/fire) so largely comes down to player ability. Many solo corr combos can end up keeping pace with many solo blaster combos simply by virtue of being able to survive against more/harder foes. The damage going out may be smaller, but by being able to take on and survive against more/harder (high con) foes the reward rates can fall closer together.

But again, just like examining things from a team perspective there is a lot more involved than just referencing the wiki and saying 1.125 > 0.75.

It is probably interesting to debate your first sentence. It seems obvious, of course, 8 buff/debuff MUST be way better than 8 blasters at making dead things. All that +damage and -resist has to make make the buff/debuff blow the blaster team away for pure damage. Well, this is probably not true. You can math it all you want, but outside of AVs, an 8 blaster team makes spawns even at +2 disappear as fast as any buff/debuff team. I believe that +3s will also disintegrate as fast with either team. +4s? That gets to the point where I think enough stuff will live long enough that the buff/debuff team may start edging out the blaster team in damage.

Of course, the blaster team will likely start dropping dead vs. +2s (although good IO builds can prevail here), while +3s and +4s almost assure that little drawback. Purpose built all blaster teams with leadership could likely do much better. On the other hand, any random group of corruptors and defenders with unslotted powers (but still taking the good powers of their sets) is likely to decimate most anything.

*facepalm* despite your avatar, it's best not to add more fuel to the fire

buttered, light butter, or no butter popcorn

Have you been on all blaster TFs ?

I have done the original positron all blaster.
Synapse all blaster. And an all blaster Numina.

The Numina went well, but it was a Numina, really not very hard if you have a stealther for the envoy and the final mission. Positron and Synapse had insane death rates all three were at base difficulty. To be honest I have also done all scrapper shadow shard tfs. The death rates were also astronomical but its one thing to die when facing off against the hardest enemies in the game and another when its the biggest pushovers in the game.

*shrug* Some people are scared of the star and there are others who take advantage of that fact.

I think the main issue with "obsolete" ATs is a need for greater mission variety. That way different playstyles get chances to shine.

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Several. old Posi (several), Manti (a few), Numi, ITF (3), Freak and Sky respec.

Fun times.

Say what?

I'm pretty sure I've always disputed any such claim in any discussion thread I've been a part of. In fact, I'm on record as stating that as fun as it is, and as much as its not a big priority for the devs to try to address, being able to do it at all is a sign the game's broken in ways very difficult to fix.

Also, I'm very twitchy about people making *any* claims about the "worth" of an archetype based on any narrow metric, not just soloing AVs. In fact, I tend to slam people pretty hard for making such claims.

Defenders have better heals than Brutes. So why would anyone play one? Brutes are becoming obsolete now that we can make Villain Defenders.

Osnap I just summarized the thread.

Not at all!

Pots just sit there and gurgle a little, sometimes spill over and make a mess.

Kettles on the other hand, keep things nicely contained, and when they come to a boil, they make an almost musical noise.

Angel Red
"We're heroes. Fighting injustice is the thing we do." ~Rebel Scum

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Are you aware that there have been multiple successful all blaster MoSTFs?

For what it's worth, I was playing around with soloing AVs on my WP/KM tanker who's mostly built for survivability, and I was able to chip away at the HP with just bruising and more or less normally slotted attacks. I couldn't keep my endurance up though, so I pulled it down to 2/3 health and had to give up. I'm going to give it another go when I'm fully IO'd out and see if I can handle it then. With that much -res I'd be genuinely shocked if you couldn't manage it.

Oh reeeeeally?

Sonofa... I think I might have to try this with my Dark Armor tank. Fire melee puts out respectable damage, but it was never enough to consider taking down an AV. I didn't think bruising would make that much of a difference, but if you could do it with KM, I'm sure it's something fire could do comparably.