So those obsolete ATs

Obsolete, I wouldn't say that.

However, lately, I can swear it seems like there are less tankers around, but I don't think they'll ever be completely gone.

For one, some players would rather have the survivability over the damage. Tankers win in that area.

Maybe it's just freedom but I see lots and lots of tanks. Most teams I'm on have at least 2, and I've had more than a couple with 4 tanks. If there's one AT I'm seeing less of it's definitely defender, though.

Tanks will never die. Ok, at least mine won't. I've got soul transfer.

I just rolled a new stalker, which has been very entertaining and his survivability took a ginormous leap at 18 and a further leap at 20. I no longer feel squishy. (Divine Avalanche and Dark Regeneration FTMFW)

I still can't play scrappers or brutes. I have an SS/WP brute that feels like torture when I play him. So I don't.

Defender? Corruptor? I don't play them, but either one is very welcome on any team I've got running. Slight preference to whichever one has sonic blast.



Short answer: No, I don't see obsolescence hitting any AT in the game.

When I'm building TF teams, I take the first 8 people to sign up. My standard answer to "What should I bring?" is "Bring whatever you want."

I've seen just about every AT in the last few weeks. None are obsolete, none are "unneeded". Some like Scrappers do marginally more damage, some like Tankers are marginally more survivable, Brutes do well in the middle. Stalkers do their thing and it can be helpful. All the buff/debuff folks are awesome. Doms and Blasters bring the hurt in their ways. VEATs are like mana from Castle. Warshades are awesome. Peacebringers.....are...umm...pretty, yeah pretty.

Thanks very much! I got thinking on this the other day when I joined an STF. Some one commented that we were all hero ATs and they haven't seen that in a while. I was thinking it has been only a little over a month since GR lol!

Anyhow, I agree it may be still too early too tell. If anything the one thing I am noticing is the team chemistry at lower levels isn't as smooth yet, but that should come in time.

As group leader its always about what you have already.
If my team have, lets say already a Troller and two defender I will be more looking for a brute than for a tanker, on the other hand, if I have 2 tankers I will be looking for corruptors and dom rather than classic hero support.

I dont think there really are -obsolete- AT at all. I generally dont feel confortable with PB, MMs and Stalkers but the rest is quite fine.
SoAs and Widows bring fair damage, are far from squishy and bring matchless leadership auras.
Tankers are incredibly tougher than brutes at early level and without much buff/debuff. Brutes brings incredible damage and can very resilient when the group provides enough support. Scrappers are ultimate damage dealers because then ca survive melee and fully profits of Fulcrum Shifts. Blasters may be hard to be kept alive and buff but kills what is hard/annoying to kill for melees. Corrs/Fenders shines depending on the group composition. Doms tends to be less damage but very more resilient than blasters through CC and trollers make the whole team much safer than any other AT and can bring very competitive damage at high level.

I've been seeing a lot more variability. Before it seemed like every bleu team consisted of controllers and scrappers. Now half the scrappers are replaced by brutes, and so on, so they fill the same roles, but with the subtle differences.

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect Incidentally, I'm still amused by people referring to "steamrolling" things, because actual steamrollers move very slowly, and a "steamrolling" team moves very fast. I get the meaning behind it, it's just not the word I would have chosen to describe it.

Well, yes, plenty of things move faster then a steamroller, but a steamroller crushes everything in its path without slowing down. A motorcycle speeds by obstacles, so that would be comparable to a speedrun.

wut? hp caps? If you're down to the point where your extra hp is actually going to come in handy, you're pretty much on your way down anyway(eg. you failed).

Unless there's like 10% of extra damage mitigation I'm missing somewhere tankers are basuically brutes with a weaker soloing game.

Extra hp is just a noob buffer so your new lv 50 tanks can survive sometimes where your new lv50 brute wont. When both are at the top end it dont matter.

the only exception I think is pvp because of the psychologoical advtange that comes with a tanker (eg you're harder to take down.)

The only trend I've noticed when playing new characters in praetoria is that there are more villains than heroes. This is exactly what I had expected to see. What will be interesting though, is long-term trends.

Oh i didn't know tankers having higher defence modifiers and get higher heals.

I don't think there is any power set or archetype in the game that is so bad that is obselete or unplayable. There are some that I think could stand a buff, and 1 or 2 I think could stand a debuff, but overall there isn't any that isn't worth someone's time.

It's kind of like the evolution of a character build. When you make and post your first build, people will probably tell you all the ways it's terrible. So, you fix it and run it based on their suggestions. Then as you continue to gain experience you continue to make tweaks. If you repost your new build later, you have people telling you again that it's not how they would build it. That's the irony; if someone's not telling you you got it wrong, you got it wrong. No one could predict the types of situations you typically get yourself into. I know that sounds like empty "play whatever you want" advice, but in this game I find it to be actually mostly true, in large part because of how much control you have over which enemies you fight and under what circumstances.

All of this said, I do wish Defenders would get a "lateral buff" of kinds (as opposed to a "vertical" one, i.e. just boosting numbers.) I would like it if their Primary powers recharged 10% faster than currently and the range and width of all powers in the Primary were 10ft bigger. That would mean bigger Dispersion Bubbles, longer ranger heals and buffs, and bigger tar patches. If it were possible to make all Defender buff powers castable through walls I would love that too. I do think that Defenders could use a nudge to make them actually the "best of the buffers."